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Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/12/2024 10:43

If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

The photo is washed in grey from dust in the air. One man in a cap and face mask bends down, looking into a pile of rubble

Israel orders evacuation of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, medics say - BBC News

The hospital's nursing director says ICU patients in comas and on ventilation machines are being forced out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

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Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 19:05

I saw footage on the news just now of what looked like thousands of Gazans desperately jostling trying to access food from a soup kitchen. It was really upsetting to see.

Of course there's a black market and terrible things are happening. This is what happens when a large population is subjected to genocide and their society is destroyed.

BadgerInDungarees · 05/01/2025 19:04

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

It's Israels responsibility to make sure that aid reaches civillians in territory that they choose to occupy.

Ukraine for instance are making sure that they give aid to the civillians in the Kursk region because they recognise that that is their responsibility under International law. If you choose to occupy then you have to follow through on your obligations to the civillians in those areas. There is no 'but Hamas 😭', Israel are occupying Gaza so the buck stops with them.

Of course Hamas are part of the problem but Israel choose to occupy the same place that Hamas terrorists live so Israel have to deal with that whilst looking after the civillians. Civillians starving and babies freezing to death isn't okay and Israel need to start taking their responsibility as occupiers seriously. Like Zelenskyy said Ukraine are 'behaving like humans' and that means humanitarian needs in occupied areas must be met.

Dulra · 05/01/2025 18:56

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Don't think anyone felt that Hamas are not part of the problem.

Lawlessness has also become an issue with the distribution of aid and it is another threat to the safety of civilians as Hamas loses its grip. The lack of aid for over 12 months leads to lawlessness and desperation and a breakdown of society. Gaza is hell on earth.

stomachamelon · 05/01/2025 18:45

About one-third of all aid is also believed to be stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices, according to the UN.

Hamas need to keep their house in order. Or are they part of the problem?

Lalaloveya · 05/01/2025 17:07

Indeed. The UK also went along with Israeli efforts to destroy UNWRA last year by halting funding for six or seven months.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 16:54

EasterIssland · 05/01/2025 15:25

They can send as much money they want to Palestine if they keep sending arms/parts of weapons to Israel that are used to kill innocent civilians the war will never end. It’d be best if they stop sending arms initially

Let's not forget that aid is not allowed to go through or, if allowed , it isn't near enough.
I agree with you that the only way to stop this is to stop selling arms to Israel and impose sanctions.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/01/2025 16:14

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

Thank you @Aibuquestiononrelationship
Its good to know about the money being sent to UNWRA for urgently needed medical care

EasterIssland · 05/01/2025 15:25

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

They can send as much money they want to Palestine if they keep sending arms/parts of weapons to Israel that are used to kill innocent civilians the war will never end. It’d be best if they stop sending arms initially

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 05/01/2025 15:20

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 15:02

There are just words. Actions speak louder.
Meanwhile, Israel has just been sent 8 billions worth of arms shipment from the good old USA.
This tells you everything you need to know.
I am disgusted.

It's not just words though. That's not accurate
The UK is also sending money to support UNRWA.

"The UK strongly condemns any such actions. By embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure, Hamas clearly put Palestinian civilians and medical staff at risk.

We reiterate however, that obligations under IHL to protect hospitals and healthcare workers are unconditional.

President, second, UNRWA must be allowed to play its essential role, including in delivering medical services and we unequivocally reject attempts to undermine its mandate.

On 11 December, my Prime Minister committed an additional $16.5 million to UNRWA to support vital services, including for medical care.

The UK is also supporting the provision of essential healthcare including through funding to UK-Med to run a field hospital and provide other healthcare services in Gaza.

President, third, Israel must do much more to immediately address this crisis and both sides must finally end this war.

The UK will keep pushing for an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages cruelly detained by Hamas, for the better protection of civilians, for more aid consistently entering Gaza, and for a path to long-term peace and stability."

MissyB1 · 05/01/2025 15:17

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 15:02

There are just words. Actions speak louder.
Meanwhile, Israel has just been sent 8 billions worth of arms shipment from the good old USA.
This tells you everything you need to know.
I am disgusted.

Yes I saw that, it made me feel sick.

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 15:02

MissyB1 · 05/01/2025 14:15

This is strong and clear, unfortunately Israel
dont give a shit what anyone thinks of them as long as they have enough weapons and money to keep on killing. Our Government needs to apply sanctions!

There are just words. Actions speak louder.
Meanwhile, Israel has just been sent 8 billions worth of arms shipment from the good old USA.
This tells you everything you need to know.
I am disgusted.

MissyB1 · 05/01/2025 14:15

Whatsinanamehey · 05/01/2025 10:52

This is strong and clear, unfortunately Israel
dont give a shit what anyone thinks of them as long as they have enough weapons and money to keep on killing. Our Government needs to apply sanctions!

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ScrollingLeaves · 04/01/2025 00:24

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/01/2025 00:14

Whether they are a doctor or an unemployed itinerant, terrorist or innocent civilian- I think it is unacceptable for anyone ( innocent or guilty) to be tortured, mistreated ,humiliated or to die from abuse while detained or to be denied a fair trial.

Yes, all their lives matter.

The doctors are particularly at risk as they are credible witnesses, and also the keepers of Palestinian medical infrastructure and the Palestinian’s future wellbeing. When they are detained, or killed, and hospitals closed down that leaves a particular vacuum.

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/01/2025 00:14

ScrollingLeaves · 04/01/2025 00:03

Showing why she may be right about the dangers he will face in detention:

Dr. Al Bursh, 50, was the head of the orthopedic department at Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. He reportedly died on 19 April 2024 in Ofer prison, an Israeli detention facility in the West Bank, and his body has not yet been released by Israeli authorities.
May 2024 from the OHCHR
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/05/un-expert-horrified-death-gazan-orthopedic-surgeon-israeli-detention

War on Gaza: Palestinians demand probe for doctor 'killed under Israeli torture'

Dr Iyad Rantisi becomes the second physician known to have died in Israeli custody amid reports of systematic torture and abuse.
June 2024
www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-palestinians-demand-probe-doctor-killed-under-israeli-torture

GENEVA – A UN expert today condemned the death of a third physician from Gaza while in Israeli custody and renewed calls for the protection of healthcare workers in the occupied Palestinian territory.
September 2024 from the OHCHR (my bolding).
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/un-expert-shocked-death-another-palestinian-doctor-israeli-detention

Whether they are a doctor or an unemployed itinerant, terrorist or innocent civilian- I think it is unacceptable for anyone ( innocent or guilty) to be tortured, mistreated ,humiliated or to die from abuse while detained or to be denied a fair trial.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/01/2025 00:03

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:01

It’s probably wishful thinking. But I’m genuinely hoping that he is treated well and given a fair trial. If not then - then I will definitely say you’re right and I’m wrong.

I hope you’re not right.

Showing why she may be right about the dangers he will face in detention:

Dr. Al Bursh, 50, was the head of the orthopedic department at Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. He reportedly died on 19 April 2024 in Ofer prison, an Israeli detention facility in the West Bank, and his body has not yet been released by Israeli authorities.
May 2024 from the OHCHR
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/05/un-expert-horrified-death-gazan-orthopedic-surgeon-israeli-detention

War on Gaza: Palestinians demand probe for doctor 'killed under Israeli torture'

Dr Iyad Rantisi becomes the second physician known to have died in Israeli custody amid reports of systematic torture and abuse.
June 2024
www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-palestinians-demand-probe-doctor-killed-under-israeli-torture

GENEVA – A UN expert today condemned the death of a third physician from Gaza while in Israeli custody and renewed calls for the protection of healthcare workers in the occupied Palestinian territory.
September 2024 from the OHCHR (my bolding).
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/un-expert-shocked-death-another-palestinian-doctor-israeli-detention

Martymcfly24 · 03/01/2025 23:57

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:55

Yes that’s true- lots of intimidation and fabrication of evidence. It was a difficult time.
I think Dr Abu Safiya is in a more perilous situation. I hope the truth prevails

He's in a much more perilous situation.

As absolutely horrific the stories of the innocent men from Northern Ireland were, knowing the torture he is probably enduring in Sde Teiman would make you fear for such a brave man.

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:55

Yes that’s true- lots of intimidation and fabrication of evidence. It was a difficult time.
I think Dr Abu Safiya is in a more perilous situation. I hope the truth prevails

Martymcfly24 · 03/01/2025 23:54

Dulra · 03/01/2025 23:50

Yes and potentially fabricating evidence

And showed signs of mistreatment in custody.(Birmingham 6)

Dulra · 03/01/2025 23:50

Martymcfly24 · 03/01/2025 23:49

Using men they knew were innocent for political purposes.

Yes and potentially fabricating evidence

Martymcfly24 · 03/01/2025 23:49

Dulra · 03/01/2025 23:47

Ok . Two very different contexts.
Why? People being interrogated by a state. Using questionable means to interrogate.

Using men they knew were innocent for political purposes.

Dulra · 03/01/2025 23:47

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:39

Ok . Two very different contexts. But if that comparison feeds into your judgement then ok .

Ok . Two very different contexts.
Why? People being interrogated by a state. Using questionable means to interrogate.

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:42

Lalaloveya · 03/01/2025 23:17

It's not a gotcha post. It was a question.

I hope he’s ok . I can definitely see there are reasons to be concerned. If he’s not properly treated then I will ( very sadly) concede .

I really hope he’s ok because my heart tells me he’s innocent .

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 23:39

Dulra · 03/01/2025 23:17

They have to arrest him and raise suspicion about his involvement with Hamas to justify their assault on the hospital. I trust Israeli interrogators as much as I trust the British interrogators that convicted the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4.

Ok . Two very different contexts. But if that comparison feeds into your judgement then ok .

Lalaloveya · 03/01/2025 23:17

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/01/2025 22:58

I wouldn’t dream of asking you “What makes you think he is not in Hamas?”
I really loathe these type of “gotcha” posts .

It's not a gotcha post. It was a question.

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