Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

I don't see any proof of a Hamas HQ.

Are you saying that the tunnel shown in the article, that has been mapped and pictured should be taken with 'a pinch of salt' they have been verified. Its clear that they are there even though people deny them. How much they are now used is not proven though, unless someone knows otherwise. It might have been easier to block.them up so that hamas couldn't use them , that would make sense imo

Proof of Hamas having a command centre. A previous poster said the evidence existed, they just didn't feel like posting it. I commented on that.

Classified Israeli intelligence documents

that to me means it can be unbiased and to take it with a pinch of salt.

No one said it did. Someone asked for proof again.

Oh for goodness sakes, tunnels under Gaza is not a new revelation. The IDF 'uncovering' tunnels is not proof of anything. And it by no means justifes bombing and destroying hospitals which only increases the collective punishment of the Gazans as a whole.

I think we all know about the tunnels in Gaza.

If you're going to kill patients and medical staff and destroy a hospital I'd expect evidence of Hamas running the hospital as some form of justification for that. Otherwise it's a war crime.

Oh for goodness sakes, tunnels under Gaza is not a new revelation. The IDF 'uncovering' tunnels is not proof of anything. And it by no means justifes bombing and destroying hospitals which only increases the collective punishment of the Gazans as a whole.

"Classified Israeli intelligence documents, obtained and reviewed by The Times, indicate that the tunnel is at least 700 feet long, twice as long as the military revealed publicly, and that it extends beyond the hospital and likely connects to Hamas’s larger underground network."

It may/may not be a command centre but it is clear that underground tunnels with living areas exist.

It is also clear that hamas still operate, still fire rockets and are able to move around.

Exactly. A guerilla war is always horrific and protracted and we have seen tons of evidence of the tunnel network and how Hamas use it and as you say we knew about it before 7/10. We keep being told everything is destroyed. Israel is all powerful but somehow also remarkably inefficient and incompetent while also having magical powers to keep destroying things that are already destroyed and despite destroying 'everything' the hostages cant be found. The criticism of Israel is so inconsistent and morphs into whatever people want Israel to be to support an argument at any given time. When you try to pin the facts or argument down to something meaningful the goalposts move and it can't discussed because by even wanting to look at facts or evidence you are revealing that you don't care about dying babies and 'genocide'. Its emotional manipulation and its not really about the victims at all. Im not suggesting that there is nothing to criticise Israel for but there's no point in a conversation with someone whose only setting is Israel is wrong about everything and is an evil genocidal machine.

There is loads of evidence of Hamas's tunnels, that there are tunnels under hospitals, that there are Hamas personnel in hospitals etc. No Im not going to spend my time digging it up and posting it because the people that need to see it wont look at it anyway and I've got other things to do. If you're saying there is no evidence then you are either so incurious you haven't looked, or you've seen it and don't want to believe it. Sensible people know how to do research & will do it anyway.

You make good points but many won't listen and don't see the contradictions in what they say. Hamas still operate, it is guerilla warfare with them.moving hiding and using their people. It's a mess with much suffering. Meanwhile terrorists still run the place and still hold hostages which they cannot even bother to say if they are actually alive or dead, they keep changing what they say.

Exactly. A guerilla war is always horrific and protracted and we have seen tons of evidence of the tunnel network and how Hamas use it and as you say we knew about it before 7/10. We keep being told everything is destroyed. Israel is all powerful but somehow also remarkably inefficient and incompetent while also having magical powers to keep destroying things that are already destroyed and despite destroying 'everything' the hostages cant be found. The criticism of Israel is so inconsistent and morphs into whatever people want Israel to be to support an argument at any given time. When you try to pin the facts or argument down to something meaningful the goalposts move and it can't discussed because by even wanting to look at facts or evidence you are revealing that you don't care about dying babies and 'genocide'. Its emotional manipulation and its not really about the victims at all. Im not suggesting that there is nothing to criticise Israel for but there's no point in a conversation with someone whose only setting is Israel is wrong about everything and is an evil genocidal machine.

There is loads of evidence of Hamas's tunnels, that there are tunnels under hospitals, that there are Hamas personnel in hospitals etc. No Im not going to spend my time digging it up and posting it because the people that need to see it wont look at it anyway and I've got other things to do. If you're saying there is no evidence then you are either so incurious you haven't looked, or you've seen it and don't want to believe it. Sensible people know how to do research & will do it anyway.

Exactly. A guerilla war is always horrific and protracted and we have seen tons of evidence of the tunnel network and how Hamas use it and as you say we knew about it before 7/10. We keep being told everything is destroyed. Israel is all powerful but somehow also remarkably inefficient and incompetent while also having magical powers to keep destroying things that are already destroyed and despite destroying 'everything' the hostages cant be found. The criticism of Israel is so inconsistent and morphs into whatever people want Israel to be to support an argument at any given time. When you try to pin the facts or argument down to something meaningful the goalposts move and it can't discussed because by even wanting to look at facts or evidence you are revealing that you don't care about dying babies and 'genocide'. Its emotional manipulation and its not really about the victims at all. Im not suggesting that there is nothing to criticise Israel for but there's no point in a conversation with someone whose only setting is Israel is wrong about everything and is an evil genocidal machine.

There is loads of evidence of Hamas's tunnels, that there are tunnels under hospitals, that there are Hamas personnel in hospitals etc. No Im not going to spend my time digging it up and posting it because the people that need to see it wont look at it anyway and I've got other things to do. If you're saying there is no evidence then you are either so incurious you haven't looked, or you've seen it and don't want to believe it. Sensible people know how to do research & will do it anyway.