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Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/12/2024 10:43

If it wasn't already clear that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza, then this is the final straw.

IDF soldiers have posted countless videos mocking at the destruction they have caused in the north. The north of Gaza has suffered massacre after massacre at the hands of Israel and after repeatedly targeting the Kamal Adwan hospital, they have now forced them to evacuate after bombing and killing several medics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

The photo is washed in grey from dust in the air. One man in a cap and face mask bends down, looking into a pile of rubble

Israel orders evacuation of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza, medics say - BBC News

The hospital's nursing director says ICU patients in comas and on ventilation machines are being forced out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx26v70n5z4o.amp

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OpheliaWasntMad · 02/01/2025 15:04

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 12:58

I am not Israeli so cannot give their perspective, nor would I would be presumptuous enough to speak for a population as a whole if I were.

I am merely someone with no inherent bias either way other than for the children on both sides who have been forced into this conflict and are entitled to live in peace and safety.

I am married to a Muslim Arab and I myself am a Christian as a background.

I agree with Netanyahu’s approach to dismantle Hamas and not allow it to take and ruin the lives of countless more generations of Palestinian and Jewish people yes.

is that controversial?

Thanks . We probably largely agree . I completely support dismantling Hamas . I just think this approach is too ruthless with regards to the consequences for innocent civilians

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 14:51

Shirk · 02/01/2025 14:48

It obviously feels awful, but I'd really like to hear what the alternative ways are of dealing with terrorists embedded in hospitals. To me it seems really hard to fight a war with an enemy that doesn't identify itself (eg by wearing uniform) and doesn't protect civilians (in fact, actively tries to put civilians in harms' way). How do you do it?

I think most posters here seem to think that the Israeli army should just leave Hamas alone but are avoiding saying so.

They aren’t embedded in hospitals.

Shirk · 02/01/2025 14:48

It obviously feels awful, but I'd really like to hear what the alternative ways are of dealing with terrorists embedded in hospitals. To me it seems really hard to fight a war with an enemy that doesn't identify itself (eg by wearing uniform) and doesn't protect civilians (in fact, actively tries to put civilians in harms' way). How do you do it?

I think most posters here seem to think that the Israeli army should just leave Hamas alone but are avoiding saying so.

Lalaloveya · 02/01/2025 14:34

Dulra · 02/01/2025 14:18

So it's her fault
And the newborn babies fault too. I always find these kind of comments very revealing in relation to how some posters view Palestinians. You can't reason with that kind of attitude

It's unbelievable. Very disturbing views on here today.

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 14:31

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Who supports the bombing of hospitals?

The usual hyperbole and ridiculous false accusations designed to shut down opposing opinions.

Really shocking that MN has not cracked down on this as it’s been going on for so long,

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 14:28

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 13:55

Ah yes, because rape never happens during war, and the IDF haven’t raped anyone.

If anyone of my children choose to be soldiers then they are choosing to so the job, if they don’t want to be in a room with doctors or nurses due to fear, then the forces aren’t an appropriate career for them.

Are you saying that the IDF raping Palestinian women is the reason for the high birth rate during this war?

I mean seriously!

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 14:24

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Dulra · 02/01/2025 14:18

Lalaloveya · 02/01/2025 14:06

So it's her fault.

Your empathy for women caught in a warzone/genocide is really touching.

So it's her fault
And the newborn babies fault too. I always find these kind of comments very revealing in relation to how some posters view Palestinians. You can't reason with that kind of attitude

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 14:08

Lalaloveya · 02/01/2025 14:06

So it's her fault.

Your empathy for women caught in a warzone/genocide is really touching.

Apparenty rape is okay when the IDF rape people, and on top of that a womans biology should magically change during genocide.

Lalaloveya · 02/01/2025 14:06

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 13:53

My question first - but I wouldn't be getting pregnant in the middle of a shitshow

So it's her fault.

Your empathy for women caught in a warzone/genocide is really touching.

Whatsinanamehey · 02/01/2025 14:03

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 14:00

National military service is mandatory in Israel - Hamas choose to be terrorists

Israel chooses to occupy, steal land and oppress Palestinians for decades.

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Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 14:00

National military service is mandatory in Israel - Hamas choose to be terrorists

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 13:55

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 13:53

My question first - but I wouldn't be getting pregnant in the middle of a shitshow

Ah yes, because rape never happens during war, and the IDF haven’t raped anyone.

If anyone of my children choose to be soldiers then they are choosing to so the job, if they don’t want to be in a room with doctors or nurses due to fear, then the forces aren’t an appropriate career for them.

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 13:53

My question first - but I wouldn't be getting pregnant in the middle of a shitshow

Simonjt · 02/01/2025 13:48

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 13:47

If you were a soldiers mum would you want him/her (in uniform) to try to tackle Hamas fighters (not in uniform) in a hospital full of civilians. How do you think it could be done?

If you were a mum who had just given birth would you be happy to either be blown up, or paraded outside in your underwear by Israeli soldiers while you held your freezing newborn baby?

Notaflippinclue · 02/01/2025 13:47

If you were a soldiers mum would you want him/her (in uniform) to try to tackle Hamas fighters (not in uniform) in a hospital full of civilians. How do you think it could be done?

Whatsinanamehey · 02/01/2025 13:36

When you support Netanyahu then you support this. The bombing of civilians in tents that Israel carries out almost daily. Sick sick sick!

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Lalaloveya · 02/01/2025 13:35

stomachamelon · 02/01/2025 13:04

@Lalaloveya a. You don't know that's the IDF most of those accusations could be levelled at Hamas and B. Most information out of Gaza is directed by the Hamas run health authority.

Are you saying those things didn't happen? The eye witnesses are all lying, is it?

Whatsinanamehey · 02/01/2025 13:23

Supporting Netanyahu is supporting crimes against humanity.

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Simonjt · 02/01/2025 13:20

OchaLove · 02/01/2025 07:02

In your judgement, let's say if there are terrorists in a London hospital, or in a New York hospital or in a Sydney hospital (or in a ....... hospital - fill the blank with a Western city hospital name) is it okay to bomb the hospital full of civilians and medical personnel?

Or is it only fair game when it is not a Western or an Israeli hospital?

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American manages not to blow up schools when a terrorist is inside murdering children.

Dulra · 02/01/2025 13:18

stomachamelon · 02/01/2025 13:04

@Lalaloveya a. You don't know that's the IDF most of those accusations could be levelled at Hamas and B. Most information out of Gaza is directed by the Hamas run health authority.

a. You don't know that's the IDF most of those accusations could be levelled at Hamas
Yes, but one is an illegal terrorist organision the other a legitimate state army it's a sad day if we are justifying the actions of the IDF in relation to the conduct of Hamas.

B. Most information out of Gaza is directed by the Hamas run health authority.
And Isreali government. It is of great frustration that there are no independent observers allowed access.

MissyB1 · 02/01/2025 13:05

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 12:58

I am not Israeli so cannot give their perspective, nor would I would be presumptuous enough to speak for a population as a whole if I were.

I am merely someone with no inherent bias either way other than for the children on both sides who have been forced into this conflict and are entitled to live in peace and safety.

I am married to a Muslim Arab and I myself am a Christian as a background.

I agree with Netanyahu’s approach to dismantle Hamas and not allow it to take and ruin the lives of countless more generations of Palestinian and Jewish people yes.

is that controversial?

Dismantling Hamas isn’t controversial, agreeing with Netanyahu’s approach most definitely is.

stomachamelon · 02/01/2025 13:04

@Lalaloveya a. You don't know that's the IDF most of those accusations could be levelled at Hamas and B. Most information out of Gaza is directed by the Hamas run health authority.

GymBuffMum · 02/01/2025 12:58

OpheliaWasntMad · 02/01/2025 10:48

I appreciate that you are giving us an Israeli perspective. We need to hear that even if we don’t agree.
Do you agree with Netanyahu’s approach - ie do you think it has been successful?
and do you think it is acceptable in humanitarian terms?

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I am not Israeli so cannot give their perspective, nor would I would be presumptuous enough to speak for a population as a whole if I were.

I am merely someone with no inherent bias either way other than for the children on both sides who have been forced into this conflict and are entitled to live in peace and safety.

I am married to a Muslim Arab and I myself am a Christian as a background.

I agree with Netanyahu’s approach to dismantle Hamas and not allow it to take and ruin the lives of countless more generations of Palestinian and Jewish people yes.

is that controversial?