Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

It was a typo, obviously. Ah one off. Just wondering why you capitalised Arabs and not "jews", it may be perfectly innocent but I've seen it been done deliberately before.

Yes, you’re right. I’m a Hamas sock puppet masquerading as a middle aged Jewish woman.

@wanderingstar23 ditto. Pure fiction. And for whose benefit I wonder?

I see you and you don’t get to speak for me or the increasing number of us who refuse to support the idea that this is being done in our name.

I saw this video too. I couldn't quite believe it.

@wanderingstar23 the only thing 'Alice in wonderland' is your increasingly lurid claims about 'increasing number of Jews'

I've just seen a video of a likud party member yelling at an Arab Israeli party member in the knesset 'you will die, your children will die, your grandchildren will die.' While Minister Orik Stroot denied that Palestinians even exist. The idea that Israel is kind of bastion of equality is farcical, it isn't even hidden, it's there in plain sight. I think when you have to compare a country to Afghanistan to find a country with worse equality then you should probably stop and think about what it is you are so determined to defend.

I’m interested in what you think my teaspoons are here.

No. I’m typing on my phone. As you appear to be.

Out of curiosity, is there a teaspn you refuse to capitalise "jews".

That’s right. I don’t believe in ethnonationalism. Even if it’s being done by jews. The Arabs who remained in 48 don’t in reality have the same rights as the jews. The fact you described the jews as ‘Israelis” in contrast to the Arabs who live there says it all. You’ll sit there and in one breath claim that Israel is a beacon of human rights and in another breath say that conforming to some very basic principles of accountability for forced expulsion and ethnic cleansing is incompatible with your concept of Israel. Well. I’m sorry but I’m not with you and increasing numbers of jews around the world are also starting to question alice in wonderland claims like this.

Since then, there have been 7 wars started by Arabs and Israel has won all of them. Don't start wars with Israel. As far as I am concerned the evil Ayatollahs in Iran made a monumental mistake getting their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah to attack Israel. Can't wait for Iran to fall.

"I want all the Palestinians kicked out 1948..."
You do realise three Arab states declared war against Israel, Jordan, Syria and Egypt and 700,000 Arabs fled. The Arabs who remained are now Arab Israelis who constitute 20% of the population and have the same rights as the Israelis. The 700 000 has swelled to 2 million which means if they all "returned" means it's no longer a Jewish state.

Exactly. No other country carrying out a genocide and crimes against humanity would be allowed to participate.

I definitely don’t want all or any of the jews to leave 1948. I do want the settlers to leave the West Bank and get their eyes off Gaza. And I want all the Palestinians kicked out of 1948, or their descendants, to have the right of return or reparations.

No, I think people just want Israel to be banned from the Eurovision until they start respecting International law and human life really.

have you got nothing better than a rubbish straw man argument?

@YourAmplePlumPoster no, I don’t view things in the way you do.

OK. I get why you prefer an Intifada and Hamas and Hezbollah. Those hunky bearded guys are a turn on 🥰

Classic deflection! I think @YourAmplePlumPoster is wheeling out the old chestnut that Israel is apparently a bastion of western values amongst the barbarians! Aka, it’s perfectly fine to commit genocide against the natives!

What has any of this got to do with a country that is being led by a man who has a warrant out for his arrest for crimes against humanity and that has been found guilty of apartheid and racial segregation in the icj and that is facing further charges in the icj, taking part in the Eurovision? Have any other the other countries taking part been found guilty of apartheid and racial segregation lately and refused to do anything about it? Have any of the other countries taking part got cases against them for what is believed to be an ongoing genocide? Do any of the other countries taking part have an elected leader with a warrant out for their arrest for crimes against humanity?

I don't believe Pakistan or Afghanistan take part in the Eurovision so can you elaborate on why you feel they are important to include in this topic of conversation?

I looked on Google for the apartheid state of Pakistan or Afghanistan, given the non Muslims and women live in a constant state of fear there and are being wiped out. Nothing came up. As a woman where would you rather live? Israel or any of the surrounding countries?

a) that’s ridiculous. In no way is it equivalent to two nuclear bombs. You’re reaching
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5908/Israel-hit-Gaza-Strip-with-the-equivalent-of-two-nuclear-bombs.
A quick google will show you that, actually, it is.
b) Er, read the article you shared. They want the hostages home, obviously. He explains why that hasn’t happened.
Of course, I have read it. If the families and freed hostages tell you that they believe that Netanyahu is not doing enough, I think to doubt them is in poor taste.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2np7p1yr7o
c) Some I’ve seen in London I have
Glad you did. I would have too.
d) so some organisations have said it’s genocide? It plainly isn’t. As the UN says: “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. If Israel wanted to commit genocide then Gaza would already be destroyed and all its people dead. Neither of those things have happened. You claim it’s genocide based on a handful of opinions from organisations, yet ignore opinions from many other organisations that the root of criticism of Israel is antisemitism.
I don't claim anything, but you do. The international laws court will decide if it is genocide. I also suggest you read your quotation, the important is "whole or in part". I abs
You just pick and choose to suit your own prejudices.
Nice example of projection here.
e) Oh dear - ‘lol’? You know criticism of Israel is far in excess of other similar countries’ actions so stop lying. It’s the only Jewish state in the world, constantly attacked both physically and with rhetoric far in excess of any other nation.
Please name other countries which is deliberately starving/ withdrawing medical aids and water/ targeting journalists and aid workers/ bombing refugees' camps,
To accuse me of lying is a personal attack, which is against the rules of MN. It is also a very poor refutation of my argument.
g) In response to: ‘I’m not Jewish but I can’t imagine what it’s like to have to read the rubbish spouted about Israel.’ you responded (gleefully I might add): ‘The truth does hurt, doesn't it?’ Maybe you should just own your antisemitism
Very serious allegation with not a shred of evidence. I am as antisemitic as I am islamophobe, racist, homophobe and so on. To honest, I am arachnophobe, So there's that.
But I am wasting my time here because "‘There’s none so blind as those who will not see’ .

Gaza is destroyed. Did you not know this? Basically everyone in the enclave has been displaced.