Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

what Israelis and their friends were doing

@BadgerInDungarees you are doing exactly the same thing. Do you know many Israelis?

Those Israelis….

Given that it was used alongside the same type of dehumanising language and imagery used by the British during their colonisation it was pretty clear exactly what Israelis and their friends were doing when they coined the phrase.

Dont twist what I said.
Im allowed to find the t shirt in bad taste.
People don’t have to agree over everything
I don’t think this thread should become about how offensive the term Paddy is .
That’s not what the thread is about.
I don’t like the tasteless cringey nature of this T-shirt. I don’t think the term Paddyistilian is a term anyone much had heard of so there was absolutely no need to “reclaim “ the term and popularise it.
But - if you want to do that - go ahead .

And just to add for those that may not be aware the term "Paddy" was originally a derogatory slur for Irish people. It is now often viewed as lighthearted but we are fully aware when it's use is intended to offend.

Exactly. Chances are no one will even wear the tshirt just a tool to use to raise money for charity and take ownership of the slur

So you're bothered by the T-shirt but not about the original derogatory insult. Got it

@OpheliaWasntMad Do you find it 'jarring' that Israelis and their friends coined this phrase as a racial attack on Irish people in the first place? I haven't seen you comment on the actual people that coined the slur in the first place only criticise how the victims of the racial attack chose to react to it.

Well there’s not much that’s hilarious about this conflict so for me it’s pretty jarring
But we are all different

I think jt's hilarious. Both as an "insult" and the fact that it's been turned around.

Also love that it's been done without insulting anyone's nationality.

Not worth arguing about.
It’s raising money for medical aid for Palestinians so I guess it doesn’t matter if people find the t shirts cringey and performative .

Another one that has missed the point entirely I will repeat

Paddystinian is tasteless and was coined to mock Irish people. The phrase has been claimed and being used positively to raise money for Palestine. I don't find that tasteless I find the original word to mock Irish people extremely tasteless and gross.

Its gross, but does demonstrate how there has always been a fashion dimension to being pro-palestine. As it always has done with keffiyehs as a fashion statement.

My goodness if Netflix say Jesus was a Palestinian then it must be true.

Please do some proper research about the Middle East BC (that's means Before Christ) and read a bloody book before making such embarrassing remarks.

Agree with @mollyfolk
The hostages have suffered for over a year. The trauma of their circumstances is unimaginable. I’m so very sorry for the pain and anguish these news reports must cause .

@Dulra I completely agree with that statement.

I'm poking fun at you. But let me clear i think this is completely wrong and horrific. The hostages are victims in all of this too. You won't find any argument from me there.

Paddystinian is tasteless and was coined to mock Irish people. The phrase has been claimed and being used positively to raise money for Palestine. I don't find that tasteless I find the original word to mock Irish people extremely tasteless

Trump basically wants to solve the political problems of the region by completely excluding and sidelining Palestinians - whether some people would like that to happen or not, it's just not clear if it's a viable strategy long-term. It did not work last time.

Trumps ultimatum is not just to Hamas, it is to Netanyahu aswell. I have read his aides have made it clear to him that he must accept a deal that ends the war before Trump starts his presidency. Not verified but it has been reported on.

Oh - well that’s something - good cause. Terrible T-shirts

Kushner founded Affinity Partners, a private equity firm that derives most of its funds from Saudi government's sovereign wealth fund.

That tells you all you need to know and his relevance to what's going on now.

@YourAmplePlumPoster

 when you put it in caps, your really persuading me that saying a sentence like this could bring peace to the whole region.

@EasterIssland interesting I didn't realise that he had blocked money for the wall.

I think it is bad that he will want peace at any cost for the Palestinians though. But ultimately I don't think it will make any difference. Could Hamas be keen to make an agreement before Biden leaves office ? They could get a better deal?

I haven't a clue - just asking what people think.

I think Trump's beef with Hamas is not to do with bloodshed and suffering, its that the 7 October attack totally screwed up the Abraham Accords / normalisation process that he was a key part of pushing. So what he wants to do is squash Hamas and get on with normalisation. But I don't know if that's possible or if it will just backfire horrendously again as it did last time. It's just not clear. and that is completely aside to the very obvious humanitarian issues.