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Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:51

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

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EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 16:21

SharonEllis · 30/12/2024 16:13

Me neither. Doubt very much Trump pays the slightest attention to MN.

Not sure what you mean with your last sentence as he will do whatever he wants (what benefits him from a power and money point of view) but you asked in your previous comment that he might facilitate the end to the war and isn’t that what we want and I was replying to your comment with my opinion

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SharonEllis · 30/12/2024 16:13

EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 16:11

The fact he said “if hostages aren’t returned by 20-1 then hell will break through” is that makes me sceptical of his idea. How many innocent civilians will be killed (included these hostages?). I can’t support the idea of ending a war by killing thousands of innocent civilians by hell breaking through

Me neither. Doubt very much Trump pays the slightest attention to MN.

EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 16:11

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 15:59

Let’s hope it’s the second option.
It’s not going to be easy and I 💯 understand why people are sceptical about Trump . But he’s motivated entirely by business and money rather than an ideology so if he can be persuaded that facilitating a fair and just 2 state solution is beneficial to American interests and reputation I think he would go for it.
I hope so anyway..

The fact he said “if hostages aren’t returned by 20-1 then hell will break through” is that makes me sceptical of his idea. How many innocent civilians will be killed (included these hostages?). I can’t support the idea of ending a war by killing thousands of innocent civilians by hell breaking through

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SharonEllis · 30/12/2024 16:10

EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 15:48

Depends how the end is finished. If it’s like he announced “hell will break out” then no that’s not what I want. If it’s via a ceasefire and facilitating a 2 state then I’m up for it

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So lets see what happens. Frankly Im fine for various hells to befall Hamas and Iran. We don't know what 'hell' means but Trump is often all talk and his instincts are non-interventionist when it comes to fp. Seems to be an awful lot of pushback on something we want to happen.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 15:59

EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 15:48

Depends how the end is finished. If it’s like he announced “hell will break out” then no that’s not what I want. If it’s via a ceasefire and facilitating a 2 state then I’m up for it

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Let’s hope it’s the second option.
It’s not going to be easy and I 💯 understand why people are sceptical about Trump . But he’s motivated entirely by business and money rather than an ideology so if he can be persuaded that facilitating a fair and just 2 state solution is beneficial to American interests and reputation I think he would go for it.
I hope so anyway..

EasterIssland · 30/12/2024 15:48

SharonEllis · 30/12/2024 15:45

Trump is a hideous human being and a disaster for America and should not have been able to stand. However, Does any of thst matter in the context of the ME if he facilitates an end to the war? Isnt that what we all want?

Depends how the end is finished. If it’s like he announced “hell will break out” then no that’s not what I want. If it’s via a ceasefire and facilitating a 2 state then I’m up for it

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SharonEllis · 30/12/2024 15:45

Trump is a hideous human being and a disaster for America and should not have been able to stand. However, Does any of thst matter in the context of the ME if he facilitates an end to the war? Isnt that what we all want?

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 15:44

EasterIssland · 29/12/2024 19:59

Anyway back to the topic of the thread. I hope more countries join Slovenia
@Dulra any news about this in Ireland?
@Auvergne63 France?

I’ve just been to Spain. No news and I really doubt taking into account they’re one of the countries that pay the most cash in. I’ve said it many times but I wish my government did more than what it’s doing (which I’m finding it quite fake)

I haven't anything from France yet.

Scirocco · 30/12/2024 15:42

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 15:41

He is also a convicted felon. Putin's puppet, a racist. a sexist and likes golden showers from Russian women. Let's not forget that he said that, if he could, he would shag his own daughter. What a lovely man!

And orange. Very orange.

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 15:41

YourAmplePlumPoster · 29/12/2024 21:39

You are Marty Mcfly, a poster from Ireland on a talk board. President Trump is the most powerful man from the most powerful country on the planet.

He is also a convicted felon. Putin's puppet, a racist. a sexist and likes golden showers from Russian women. Let's not forget that he said that, if he could, he would shag his own daughter. What a lovely man!

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 15:34

YourAmplePlumPoster · 29/12/2024 19:58

As Commander Harris, RAF said of Germany who started WW2, "They reaped the wind and sowed the whirlwind." Now Hamas, what's left of you, ask yourselves why you did this and put your people in danger? Of course as they have a billion portfolio, they don't have to worry.

Some of it thanks to Netanyahu, of course.

Auvergne63 · 30/12/2024 15:32

YourAmplePlumPoster · 29/12/2024 19:47

It means the war will end. Thought you'd be glad. We know Hamas and their supporters want eternal war but that's ending on January 20th.

Look a unicorn!

MissyB1 · 30/12/2024 14:23

Dulra · 30/12/2024 13:55

The WHO have demanded the release today of Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya
Hopefully this will help safeguard him 🙏

I’m not sure, Israel have shown they have little or no respect for any international organisations that speak out against them. They seem to consider themselves as having a free pass to do anything they like.

Dulra · 30/12/2024 13:55

Martymcfly24 · 30/12/2024 12:56

The WHO have demanded the release today of Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya director of the Kamal Adwan hospital who is allegedly being held in the notorious detention center Sde Teiman. (One known for torture)

And I have preordered a "cringy" t-shirt from Hairy Baby.

The WHO have demanded the release today of Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya
Hopefully this will help safeguard him 🙏

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 13:48

Martymcfly24 · 30/12/2024 13:40

It's not meant to be bloody funny.

Whose laughing at the fact 5 babies froze to death in Gaza this week, the youngest was 4 days old.

It's a tiny little drop in the ocean to show solidarity and sympathy (and maybe even raise a little bit of money) for Palestinians.

Someone said it was a hilarious T-shirt
I agree with you.

Martymcfly24 · 30/12/2024 13:40

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 13:19

You are twisting my meaning by implying I’m not bothered by derogatory insults against the Irish .

My point was simply that I don’t find the T-shirt funny or in good taste .
That’s all.
you’re all entitled to wear it and enjoy it and I’m entitled to my view
End of

It's not meant to be bloody funny.

Whose laughing at the fact 5 babies froze to death in Gaza this week, the youngest was 4 days old.

It's a tiny little drop in the ocean to show solidarity and sympathy (and maybe even raise a little bit of money) for Palestinians.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 13:37

Whatsinanamehey · 30/12/2024 13:24

His last image of him walking towards the IDF tanks amongst rubble and destruction in his white doctors coat is so tragic. He has been calling for international help to stop the barbaric attacks on the hospital for months. The last remaining hospital in the north and the final nail in the coffin of ethnic cleansing the north of Gaza.

I agree. It’s a heartbreaking picture .

Whatsinanamehey · 30/12/2024 13:24

Martymcfly24 · 30/12/2024 12:56

The WHO have demanded the release today of Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya director of the Kamal Adwan hospital who is allegedly being held in the notorious detention center Sde Teiman. (One known for torture)

And I have preordered a "cringy" t-shirt from Hairy Baby.

His last image of him walking towards the IDF tanks amongst rubble and destruction in his white doctors coat is so tragic. He has been calling for international help to stop the barbaric attacks on the hospital for months. The last remaining hospital in the north and the final nail in the coffin of ethnic cleansing the north of Gaza.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 13:19

Dulra · 30/12/2024 12:53

Dont twist what I said
I didn't I was highlighting what you didn't say

Im allowed to find the t shirt in bad taste.
Of course you are, I was merely pointing out that the slur was the catalyst for the tshirt without the slur there would not have been a T-shirt so not sure why you had no issue with those that coined it in the first place.

I don’t think this thread should become about how offensive the term Paddy is .
That’s not what the thread is about
Heaven forbid 🙄that's not what I was doing I was pointing out to posters that may not know what would be offensive about "Paddy"stine. Don't worry I'll get back in my box now.....

I don’t think the term Paddyistilian is a term anyone much had heard of so there was absolutely no need to “reclaim “ the term and popularise it.
It was an offensive term used to insult Irish people, it wasn't an Irish term, those that it was meant to offend are perfectly entitled to claim it, not "reclaim" it, it was never our phrase to begin with. It is a method of taking it from those that use it to offend so it is worthless to them.

You are twisting my meaning by implying I’m not bothered by derogatory insults against the Irish .

My point was simply that I don’t find the T-shirt funny or in good taste .
That’s all.
you’re all entitled to wear it and enjoy it and I’m entitled to my view
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Martymcfly24 · 30/12/2024 12:56

The WHO have demanded the release today of Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya director of the Kamal Adwan hospital who is allegedly being held in the notorious detention center Sde Teiman. (One known for torture)

And I have preordered a "cringy" t-shirt from Hairy Baby.

Dulra · 30/12/2024 12:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 11:48

Dont twist what I said.
Im allowed to find the t shirt in bad taste.
People don’t have to agree over everything
I don’t think this thread should become about how offensive the term Paddy is .
That’s not what the thread is about.
I don’t like the tasteless cringey nature of this T-shirt. I don’t think the term Paddyistilian is a term anyone much had heard of so there was absolutely no need to “reclaim “ the term and popularise it.
But - if you want to do that - go ahead .

Dont twist what I said
I didn't I was highlighting what you didn't say

Im allowed to find the t shirt in bad taste.
Of course you are, I was merely pointing out that the slur was the catalyst for the tshirt without the slur there would not have been a T-shirt so not sure why you had no issue with those that coined it in the first place.

I don’t think this thread should become about how offensive the term Paddy is .
That’s not what the thread is about
Heaven forbid 🙄that's not what I was doing I was pointing out to posters that may not know what would be offensive about "Paddy"stine. Don't worry I'll get back in my box now.....

I don’t think the term Paddyistilian is a term anyone much had heard of so there was absolutely no need to “reclaim “ the term and popularise it.
It was an offensive term used to insult Irish people, it wasn't an Irish term, those that it was meant to offend are perfectly entitled to claim it, not "reclaim" it, it was never our phrase to begin with. It is a method of taking it from those that use it to offend so it is worthless to them.

Whatsinanamehey · 30/12/2024 12:45

mollyfolk · 30/12/2024 12:42

Can we please remember that the only reason this came up is because someone came on the thread to use the term as a slur to insult the Irish people here.

Which I personally have taken in good humour.

Now the last time I checked calling people Israeli was not a slur. So stop will the holier than thou attitude.

Exactly. How hypocritical to rebuke those who have reclaimed the slur and changed it into something positive, but not those who are insulting Irish posters with that same slur.

mollyfolk · 30/12/2024 12:42

Can we please remember that the only reason this came up is because someone came on the thread to use the term as a slur to insult the Irish people here.

Which I personally have taken in good humour.

Now the last time I checked calling people Israeli was not a slur. So stop will the holier than thou attitude.

BadgerInDungarees · 30/12/2024 12:19

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/12/2024 11:50

Those Israelis….

What am I supposed to call them?

BadgerInDungarees · 30/12/2024 12:18

stomachamelon · 30/12/2024 12:06

what Israelis and their friends were doing

@BadgerInDungarees you are doing exactly the same thing. Do you know many Israelis?

I know that the people who were using dehumanising language and imagery on twitter and reddit towards Irish people declared themselves to be Israeli or pro Israel. I'm sure it isn't every Israeli and every person who is pro Israel who feels that way but certainly there were quite a few who loudly came out of the woodwork.