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Most of them feel their death is imminent and half want to die so I'd imagine not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/11/death-feels-imminent-for-96-of-children-in-gaza-study-finds

“There is literally no way that trump will in any way prioritise anything approaching a just solution for Palestinians.”
I agree. Trump will focus on what’s in it for him.
I don’t think a just solution will come about overnight. It will take years / generations even 😣.
The most we can hope for in the short term is cessation of violence and release of the hostages and assurances of immediate economic support ( food and shelter and medical help) and security for the people who have lost everything in Gaza.

Apologies - it was vague. But I don’t think the children living in tents will be thinking too much about Trump.
None of us knows what the future holds . I’m trying to be hopeful because I can’t do anything to help and I can only hope and pray

Yes I agree.

I think people living in the hell that is Gaza will have had their resilience tested over and over and would be feeling pretty traumatised and vulnerable right now. Whatever we think of Trump he'll be the president of the United States in two weeks. His words hold weight whether they are meant for his base or not.

What does this mean? Which Palestinians are you talking about? The children living in tents in Gaza?

Hamas did the October 7th attack because the Abraham Accords aka trump and others’ normalisation strategy was about to come to fruition. Trump wants everyone to stop fighting so he can get back to that. Yes it’s about trade, money, etc. It will never work as it was originally planned - sidelining the Palestinians and without giving them a place at the table - unless essentially the genocide is completed or else Gaza and West Bank are annexed or something approaching that. Gaza has been flattened a la Dresden. So much more than a ceasefire is required now. There is literally no way that trump will in any way prioritise anything approaching a just solution for Palestinians.

I think the Palestinians are made of sterner stuff than to be alarmed by Trump’s “big man” bluster.

I think there is real sense in this .
Hamas and Iran need to know they face a possible threat from US if they don’t focus on ceasefire and release of the hostages.
Israel needs to know they will be isolated and even more vulnerable if they don’t come to a just and peaceful resolution with Palestinians.

How does his threat harm people?
I didn't say harm I said alarm people. If I lived in Gaza his words would alarm me.

Unless you think Hamas and Iran want a war with the US.
No I don't

More likely is that the real work is going on behind the scenes.
Of course it is which is why I feel it's a shame his words could cause alarm to people when they are likely of no consequence.

How does his threat harm people? So silly. If its taken seriously at face value it may lead to the right people pulling their finger out and sorting a ceasefire. Unless you think Hamas and Iran want a war with the US. More likely is that the real work is going on behind the scenes.

Shame his public pronouncement had to be made in the form of a threat that could alarm innocent civilians in Gaza.

I’m not a fan of Trump and I don’t think he cares about anything much apart from money and power .
Im just trying to hope that he might persuaded that doing the right thing can benefit him…
Sometimes bad people do good things ( even if it’s for selfish reasons)

Obviously

I would think his public pronouncements are much less important to the negotiations than what is being said through diplomatic channels which probably wony be revealed. His public stuff is more likely for a domestic audience to keep his base happy

This is a very good point.

@OpheliaWasntMad
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To what extent is his rhetoric just bluff and bluster? Hard to know. He’s so full of BS and so changeable*

Yes trump just says things. Sure what could he even mean by that. It's not like the US military will go into Gaza.

He's just trying to show strength. It doesn't say a long lasting peaceful solution to me.

Yes - we can all have opinions can’t we?

“ his public pronouncements are much less important to the negotiations than what is being said through diplomatic channels which probably wony be revealed. His public stuff is more likely for a domestic audience to keep his base
happy.”

Yes - I think that’s likely to be true.

It's an opinion 🙄

How do you know what's helpful? Are you in contact with any of the negotiating teams? I doubt very much if any of us have any idea. I would think his public pronouncements are much less important to the negotiations than what is being said through diplomatic channels which probably wony be revealed. His public stuff is more likely for a domestic audience to keep his base happy.

In the article posted earlier in the thread Trump is quoted as saying

“As you know, I gave a warning that if these hostages aren’t back home by that date, all hell is going to break out,”

Later, Trump added that if no ceasefire deal is reached by the time he takes office, “It’s not going to be pleasant.”

Hell broke out in Gaza a long time ago and is already an extremely unpleasant existence so I am struggling to understand what else can happen to make it more unpleasant and more hellish then it already is. The rhetoric is not helpful when negotiations are on a knife edge.

How can I have forgotten that! Thanks for reminding me of his impeccable taste in fake tan.

You haven't actually read the link I provided, have you?
Here is an extract:
"The name “Palestine” for that region also had a long history, though. It first appeared in the fifth century BCE, in the writings of the Greek historian Herodotus.
He wrote of a “district of Syria, called Palaistinê”, between Egypt and Phoenicia, an ancient region that corresponds to modern Lebanon, with adjoining parts of modern Syria and Israel. So, the land (or part of it) was called “Palestine” by the Greeks before it was called “Judea” by the Romans".
I would like to add that this article was written by P C Almond, Emeritus Professor in the History of Religious Thought from The University of Queensland. So no, Netflix didn't say it.
Please do some proper research about the Middle East BC (that's means Before Christ)
Sometime the advice you give to others is the one you should follow yourself, as plainly demonstrated when you wrote BC, instead of BCE (that means Before Common Era), This was introduced in England and Wales in 2002. Do keep up.
I am also twitching, as an ex teacher of twenty years at "that's means". A grammar book would be a good investment, I feel.
read a bloody book before making such embarrassing remarks.
See above.
This makes me laugh because, as an avid reader, my house cannot take any more books. I am a book hoarder and so is my husband. Never assume anything about anyone.

To what extent is his rhetoric just bluff and bluster? Hard to know. He’s so full of BS and so changeable…