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Slovenia Demands Israel's Removal From Eurovision 2025

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EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:51

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-22/ty-article/.premium/slovenia-demands-israels-removal-from-eurovision-2025/00000193-ed37-da9f-ad9b-ed7f3d140000

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Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:40

OpheliaWasntMad · 02/01/2025 23:35

We can’t decide what is fair / equal as individuals. The law decides ( and has done in this case)

We can’t decide what is fair / equal as individuals.

I completely, fundamentally, vehemently disagree ..

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:38

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:34

Better by discriminating against people because of their nationality. Ew.

If necessary yes.

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:38

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:32

No, I don't think that's what they poster said at all. They seem to think all Israeli citizens should be discriminated against because they as a whole voted for the current government.

Quote please

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:37

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:30

They are a law organisation based in the UK handling cases in the UK so they do have quite a bit to do with upholdingaws I the UK.

Perhaps read the quote I was responding to and then read my reply again. Also see my point that there isn’t really such a thing as UK law.

OpheliaWasntMad · 02/01/2025 23:35

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:32

One thing sport isn't is fair or equal. We can make it better not worse.

We can’t decide what is fair / equal as individuals. The law decides ( and has done in this case)

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:34

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:32

One thing sport isn't is fair or equal. We can make it better not worse.

Better by discriminating against people because of their nationality. Ew.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:34

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:29

I think the point being made is not that private Israelis should not be allowed to compete in bowling competitions. But rather that the Israeli state should not be represented in international competitions. You might not agree with either but it’s not the same thing.

Quite, in many sports there is the white flag for those who choose it.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:32

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:27

Well thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Although the irony of you talking about fairness while wanting people to be discriminated against based on their nationality is not lost on me.

One thing sport isn't is fair or equal. We can make it better not worse.

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:32

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:29

I think the point being made is not that private Israelis should not be allowed to compete in bowling competitions. But rather that the Israeli state should not be represented in international competitions. You might not agree with either but it’s not the same thing.

No, I don't think that's what they poster said at all. They seem to think all Israeli citizens should be discriminated against because they as a whole voted for the current government.

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:30

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:20

The mission statement of LFI is nothing to do with upholding British law. Or the law of England and Wales which I suspect is what you mean. On their website they say their aim is:

to provide, assist in providing, procure or promote the provision of legal support including advocacy, research, advice and campaigning in combating attempts to undermine, attack and/or delegitimise Israel, Israeli organisations, Israelis and / or supporters of Israel.

They’ve written legal opinions for example relating to Israel’s adherence to international law in the matter of the ICC arrest warrants which are totally counter to the views of other very highly regarded British Jewish lawyers for example the AG Richard Hermer. Who presumably also are very well versed in English law yet disagree with them.

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They are a law organisation based in the UK handling cases in the UK so they do have quite a bit to do with upholdingaws I the UK.

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:29

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:14

So because of the actions of their government, Israeli citizens should be banned from indoor bowls competitions. Right. Fuck the equality act and all that.

I think the point being made is not that private Israelis should not be allowed to compete in bowling competitions. But rather that the Israeli state should not be represented in international competitions. You might not agree with either but it’s not the same thing.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:28

@BoydTheApe As many point out so often, Israel is a democracy, Israeli citizens voted for the Israeli government. Israelis are responsible for their actions and should be held accountable for them.

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:27

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:23

Yes, they should be banned from all international competitions that value any kind of fairness.

Well thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Although the irony of you talking about fairness while wanting people to be discriminated against based on their nationality is not lost on me.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:23

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:14

So because of the actions of their government, Israeli citizens should be banned from indoor bowls competitions. Right. Fuck the equality act and all that.

Yes, they should be banned from all international competitions that value any kind of fairness.

wanderingstar23 · 02/01/2025 23:20

SharonEllis · 02/01/2025 12:48

No it doesn't. Just Jewish lawyers acting in the 'interests' of the Israeli government, apparently, rather than the reality of experienced snd respected British lawyers being committed to upholding the law in the UK.

The mission statement of LFI is nothing to do with upholding British law. Or the law of England and Wales which I suspect is what you mean. On their website they say their aim is:

to provide, assist in providing, procure or promote the provision of legal support including advocacy, research, advice and campaigning in combating attempts to undermine, attack and/or delegitimise Israel, Israeli organisations, Israelis and / or supporters of Israel.

They’ve written legal opinions for example relating to Israel’s adherence to international law in the matter of the ICC arrest warrants which are totally counter to the views of other very highly regarded British Jewish lawyers for example the AG Richard Hermer. Who presumably also are very well versed in English law yet disagree with them.

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 23:14

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:12

Representing your country is a huge privilege that takes incredible effort and sacrifice. It should represent everything we hold dear including equality and fairness.

Israel is a democracy, it's representatives represent their nation - all of it and everything it does. Every nation and every society has it's dark side but Israel stands out as a nation openly committing crimes against humanity, annexing land, colonising it's neighbours.

We should not stand alongside any nation in any capacity that commits the crimes that Israel is now responsible for.

So because of the actions of their government, Israeli citizens should be banned from indoor bowls competitions. Right. Fuck the equality act and all that.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:14

SharonEllis · 02/01/2025 22:39

But why are you fixated particularly on Israel when the British arms industry sells to other countries too?

Because it's a thread about Israel.

Politely rephrased.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 23:12

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 22:49

Sorry, what has Israel done in relation to the World Indoor Bowls Championship and what do I have no fucking idea about?

Representing your country is a huge privilege that takes incredible effort and sacrifice. It should represent everything we hold dear including equality and fairness.

Israel is a democracy, it's representatives represent their nation - all of it and everything it does. Every nation and every society has it's dark side but Israel stands out as a nation openly committing crimes against humanity, annexing land, colonising it's neighbours.

We should not stand alongside any nation in any capacity that commits the crimes that Israel is now responsible for.

SharonEllis · 02/01/2025 22:56

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Have I missed your other threads about the undemocratic regimes we sell arms to? After all we have skin in the game there too?

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 22:49

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 22:02

Everything Israel does is political.

There is the white banner for those who do not wish to represent a state that is actively seeking the ethnic cleansing and genocide of its neighbours.

But maybe, just maybe, you really do have no fucking idea?

Sorry, what has Israel done in relation to the World Indoor Bowls Championship and what do I have no fucking idea about?

BoydTheApe · 02/01/2025 22:48

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Bit ableist, as well as generally insulting. But not surprising.

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 22:42

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SharonEllis · 02/01/2025 22:39

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 22:32

Every single British person has skin in the game the whole time the British Government continues to provide export licenses to businesses supplying weapons and military support to the IDF.

But why are you fixated particularly on Israel when the British arms industry sells to other countries too?

Daftasabroom · 02/01/2025 22:32

stomachamelon · 02/01/2025 22:14

@Daftasabroom and what skin do you have in the game?

Can you imagine how it feels to read that when the people you love live there. Dodge rockets there daily? Have the time it takes to post your rubbish to get to a bomb shelter? Because someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth. Posts regularly that your ultimate destruction is their one and only aim.

Perhaps it's you that has no fucking idea.

Every single British person has skin in the game the whole time the British Government continues to provide export licenses to businesses supplying weapons and military support to the IDF.

stomachamelon · 02/01/2025 22:14

@Daftasabroom and what skin do you have in the game?

Can you imagine how it feels to read that when the people you love live there. Dodge rockets there daily? Have the time it takes to post your rubbish to get to a bomb shelter? Because someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth. Posts regularly that your ultimate destruction is their one and only aim.

Perhaps it's you that has no fucking idea.

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