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Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 17:34

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 17:04

No, you are not automatically antisemitic if you criticise the Israeli government. That would be ludicrous.

Good to know.

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SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 17:04

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:44

And Norman Finkelstein and Chomsky. In fact, if you dare to criticise the Israeli government you are automatically antisemitic.

No, you are not automatically antisemitic if you criticise the Israeli government. That would be ludicrous.

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:45

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:26

Oh I understand. What you don't seem to understand is that sometimes people criticising Israel are doing so from a position of antisemitism. They are not being called antisemitic just because they criticise Israel. Its a subtle distinction, but an important one.

Sometimes being the key word here.

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Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:44

Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:19

Need to add Gideon Levy to the list now of people or organisations labelled antisemitic for criticising Israel.

And Norman Finkelstein and Chomsky. In fact, if you dare to criticise the Israeli government you are automatically antisemitic.

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Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:29

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:26

Oh I understand. What you don't seem to understand is that sometimes people criticising Israel are doing so from a position of antisemitism. They are not being called antisemitic just because they criticise Israel. Its a subtle distinction, but an important one.

I'm not sure how you reached this conclusiom on my understanding, unless you also think Gideon Levy is anti-semitic.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:26

Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:23

If you understood my post then you would know that is the point i am making.

Oh I understand. What you don't seem to understand is that sometimes people criticising Israel are doing so from a position of antisemitism. They are not being called antisemitic just because they criticise Israel. Its a subtle distinction, but an important one.

Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:23

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:22

You realise it is possible to criticise Israel without being antisemitic? Its worth trying to understand this.

If you understood my post then you would know that is the point i am making.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:22

Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:19

Need to add Gideon Levy to the list now of people or organisations labelled antisemitic for criticising Israel.

You realise it is possible to criticise Israel without being antisemitic? Its worth trying to understand this.

Whatsinanamehey · 10/01/2025 16:19

Whatsinanamehey · 05/01/2025 12:01

You hear it all the time from Israeli officials. According to them, the UN are anti-semitic, HRW are anti-semitic, Amnesty International are anti-semitic, the ICC are anti-semitic, the ICJ are anti-semitic and so on and so forth. In a nutshell most organisations or individuals outside of Israel who criticise Israel are called anti-semitic.

Need to add Gideon Levy to the list now of people or organisations labelled antisemitic for criticising Israel.

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:17

LetThereBeLove · 10/01/2025 16:12

Gideon Levy is an antisemitic Jew. Simples.

Ok. Care to provide evidence for this?

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Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:16

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:09

Given this little bit of the conversation started with you making a dig at me thats a bit rich. To support someone is not to be their spokesman, its what decent people do.

Any thoughts on Gideon Levy?

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LetThereBeLove · 10/01/2025 16:12

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:02

Any thoughts on Gideon Levy or are personal attacks the way forwards?

Gideon Levy is an antisemitic Jew. Simples.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 16:09

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:02

Any thoughts on Gideon Levy or are personal attacks the way forwards?

Given this little bit of the conversation started with you making a dig at me thats a bit rich. To support someone is not to be their spokesman, its what decent people do.

Auvergne63 · 10/01/2025 16:02

LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 11:28

So patronising 🙄

PS I agree with her posts.

Any thoughts on Gideon Levy or are personal attacks the way forwards?

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LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 11:28

Auvergne63 · 09/01/2025 11:17

Glad to hear it.

So patronising 🙄

PS I agree with her posts.

Auvergne63 · 09/01/2025 11:17

LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 11:00

Of course I'm not her 'designated spokesman' 😂

Glad to hear it.

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LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 11:00

Auvergne63 · 09/01/2025 10:48

Being anti the Israeli government's actions and being anti Jewish are 2 different things. Don't conflate them.
But do point out the anti Jewish posts.
Btw, I am sure that @SharonEllis can speak for herself, unless you are her designated spokesperson.

Of course I'm not her 'designated spokesman' 😂

Dulra · 09/01/2025 10:52

LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 10:15

@SharonEllis is on this thread to counteract the blatant anti Jewish posts.

Over 20 people have contributed to this thread you need to point out the posts you are referring to as opposed to making generalised accusations that implicate a lot of posters.

Auvergne63 · 09/01/2025 10:48

LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 10:15

@SharonEllis is on this thread to counteract the blatant anti Jewish posts.

Being anti the Israeli government's actions and being anti Jewish are 2 different things. Don't conflate them.
But do point out the anti Jewish posts.
Btw, I am sure that @SharonEllis can speak for herself, unless you are her designated spokesperson.

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LetThereBeLove · 09/01/2025 10:15

Auvergne63 · 05/01/2025 19:57

Yet you are on it.

@SharonEllis is on this thread to counteract the blatant anti Jewish posts.

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Auvergne63 · 07/01/2025 21:02

It is so easy, and not very clever, to surf the web and find snippets of information to target a specific group of people. I am referring to Israeli Jews.
I heard it on radio 4 so no, I didn't scroll the net as you put it.
Are you deducting, from my comment about the late Queen, that I am antisemitic? Where did I mention Israeli Jews?
Ironically, you copied that quote from 'The Times of Israel', and ex-Israeli President Reuven Rivlin made it.
Really? See above. If I had known it was him who said it, then I would have quoted him.
You forgot to mention that Prince Charles came to Israel in 1995 and 2016 to attend the funerals of Yitzhak Rabin (he was the fifth prime minister of Israel) and Shimon Peres (who served as the eighth prime minister of Israel).
I didn't forget to mention it. I was talking about about the Queen, not the royal family as a whole.
Prince Charles made an official visit to Israel in 2020 to attend the World Holocaust Forum, marking 75 years since the liberation of Auschwitz and the systematic mass murder of the Jewish people in German-occupied Europe.
Wrong. The first official visit was from Prince William, not Prince Charles, in 2018.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-716696
How respectful of our King to show sympathy and understanding to survivors of the Holocaust who felt there was no future for Jews in Europe after 6 million were murdered for no other reason than for being Jewish.
He isn't my king. I am a French citizen, not a British subject.
I have immense sympathy to all who were the victims of the Holocaust, including Jewish people, Roma and Sinti, Poles, Slavs and many more. Every single one matters and should be remembered. My great aunt was tortured and sent to Auschwitz. She was a member of the French resistance.
It is also commonly believed that the British Foreign Office, for fear of Arab boycotts, had advised the queen not to visit Israel.
Indeed. I suggest you read the link I posted above, which explains why she never visited.
There is always more than one side to a story; I intend everyone to hear it.
Good for you. Before you do that, make sure you get your facts right,first.

I heard it on radio 4 so no, I didn't scroll the net as you put it.
Do you realise radio is just another form of media?

Are you deducting, from my comment about the late Queen, that I am antisemitic?
What did you say to me the other day? ‘A grammar book would be a good investment, I feel’.
Are you gaslighting me?
Shall we remind everyone what you said; I think the late queen viewed the Israelis as "terrorists or sons of terrorists"
Because you are not brave enough to say what you really think, you took a quote made by someone else (not the Queen), used it out of context, and implied it was fact. Besmirching the good name of our late Queen.

Where did I mention Israeli Jews?
Sorry, are you confused? That’s my line.

Really? See above. If I had known it was him who said it, then I would have quoted him.
Quoting you, ‘make sure you get your facts right, first'.

I didn't forget to mention it. I was talking about the Queen, not the royal family as a whole.
You didn’t mention it because you either didn’t know the facts or wanted to disclose other members of the Royal family had visited Israel.

Wrong. The first official visit was from Prince William, not Prince Charles, in 2018.
Good to know the future Kind of England has already visited Israel. Very pleased to hear that.

He isn't my king. I am a French citizen, not a British subject.
Who cares!

I have immense sympathy to all who were the victims of the Holocaust, including Jewish people, Roma and Sinti, Poles, Slavs and many more. Every single one matters and should be remembered. My great aunt was tortured and sent to Auschwitz. She was a member of the French resistance.
Not relevant.

Indeed. I suggest you read the link I posted above, which explains why she never visited.
I have, and it agrees with my statement.

Good for you. Before you do that, make sure you get your facts right, first.
WRONG, I did get my facts right.

stomachamelon · 08/01/2025 12:06

@Auvergne63 it is laughable that you would accuse me of being 'threatening' when you repeatedly goad and specifically target under the pretext of debate.

Belittling and correcting just inflates your self importance it doesn't add anything. How does that add? Honestly?

I am happy for an 'entente cordiale' though.... (worse thing is I checked I spelt that right before I posted that)

Maybe some good habits will come out of posting?

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