Please or to access all these features

Conflict in the Middle East

Hezbollah supporters

155 replies

OctoberOctopus · 27/11/2024 22:21

You hear posters say that the population of a country doesn't necessarily support the terrorist groups. They are not involved etc. Seems an incorrect statement.

Then you see a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Hundreds and hundreds of people retuning to homes waving Hezbollah flags claiming victory over Israel and victory for the resistance. They haven't suddenly decided to support terrorists, they did all along.

Israel were at war with Hamas. Hezbollah just after the hamas attack of October 7th launched missiles into Israel to support hamas. One terrorist organisation supporting another whilst the people support them.

Over a year later finally a ceasefire. So the people of Lebanon, a country not occupied support their terrorist organisation Hezbollah with their 'resistance'. They are cheering a victory. Really deluded people. How can there be peace whilst they support terrorists. Their own government don't appear to run the show there and until Israel hit the Hezbollah leadership were weak with Hezbollah doing what they want.

Makes me realise more why many support Israel against people that cheer on terrorists.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
Usernamesareboring1 · 29/11/2024 12:04

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 09:46

But it is low expectations if you think people can only be pawns of the super powers, or the terrorists, and have no agency to follow their nation's self determination and pursue democracy & human rights. If that is the case and we have to just accept that Palestinians will only ever be governed by Hamas & Lebanese by Hezbollah what is this all about?

Being under occupation literally does strip you of your agency. Perhaps if Israel stopped blakading and occupying and didn't fund and prop up terrorists the situation may be different. Lecturing an occupied people currently being bombed to death by their US mega funded occupiers about pursuing democracy and human rights while they're displaced and starving is in pretty bad taste.

BelleHathor · 29/11/2024 11:53

Lalaloveya · 29/11/2024 11:15

All this talk of the west's low expectations is making me feel a little sick.

Some people here are denying an ongoing genocide because either Palestinians don't deserve human rights or because Israel can do whatever it likes.

Maybe if these posters didn't defend Israels actions up to an including genocide (with the notable exception of settler terrorism for reasons I don't understand) it would be less nauseating to read.

Fully agree, it also fails to acknowledge how great regime change has worked for the local populations in the region in the last 100 years. Answer not well at all, millions dead and displaced in the region by groups often armed and trained by the "civilised West".

Face facts Lebanon is not going to follow the Jordan or the Egypt route. Those countries are viewed by many in the region (and increasingly across the World) as being puppet states/collaborators with America/Israel.

It's only in the West (usually based on reports written by highly paid Think Tanks) that they believe that shock and awe bombing of civilians can get them to voluntarily change their rulers. It's a very "colonialist" way of thinking, "do as we say and we'll reward you".
It doesn't work, the only way to get rid of Hezbollah is to get rid of it's reason to exist and considering that it was borne out of an Israeli invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon that will be difficult.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 11:36

Arayofcalm · 29/11/2024 11:27

@Wigglywoowho quite right, I'm not convinced by some of the faux concern for Lebanese children on this thread. It's just used to mask the hatred for the Lebanese.

So, just to be clear - who are you saying hates the Lebanese?

Arayofcalm · 29/11/2024 11:27

@Wigglywoowho quite right, I'm not convinced by some of the faux concern for Lebanese children on this thread. It's just used to mask the hatred for the Lebanese.

quantumbutterfly · 29/11/2024 11:25

Auvergne63 · 29/11/2024 10:42

Of course I did. Obviously, your interpretation of the articles and mine are different as expected. Still facts are facts.
Ariel Sharon, nicknamed " The Bulldozer" and " The Butcher of Beirut", was found responsible for these massacres. To deny this is to rewrite history.

Because history is so objective....

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 11:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Arayofcalm · 29/11/2024 11:16

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 11:11

It's not easy. Peace means sacrifice on both sides. Peace would be supported. Terrorist organisations funded by Iran as its proxies won't be (apart from by Iran, flag waving praising Lebanese whom we have clearly seen and heard and some apologists of terrorists).

Aim for peace. Be more Jordan. Be more Egypt etc etc. Find a better way.

Thank you for contributing. We'll see how things develop.

Edited

Be more egypt? Tell me you know nothing about Sisi without telling me you know nothing about Sisi.

Lalaloveya · 29/11/2024 11:15

All this talk of the west's low expectations is making me feel a little sick.

Some people here are denying an ongoing genocide because either Palestinians don't deserve human rights or because Israel can do whatever it likes.

Maybe if these posters didn't defend Israels actions up to an including genocide (with the notable exception of settler terrorism for reasons I don't understand) it would be less nauseating to read.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 11:14

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 11:11

It's not easy. Peace means sacrifice on both sides. Peace would be supported. Terrorist organisations funded by Iran as its proxies won't be (apart from by Iran, flag waving praising Lebanese whom we have clearly seen and heard and some apologists of terrorists).

Aim for peace. Be more Jordan. Be more Egypt etc etc. Find a better way.

Thank you for contributing. We'll see how things develop.

Edited

This, really hoping for peace. I have known several Lebanese in my life and they have always had a place in my heart.

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 11:11

It's not easy. Peace means sacrifice on both sides. Peace would be supported. Terrorist organisations funded by Iran as its proxies won't be (apart from by Iran, flag waving praising Lebanese whom we have clearly seen and heard and some apologists of terrorists).

Aim for peace. Be more Jordan. Be more Egypt etc etc. Find a better way.

Thank you for contributing. We'll see how things develop.

OP posts:
SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 11:04

@Auvergne63 and I have NEVER said it was easy.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 11:03

Auvergne63 · 29/11/2024 11:02

Tell me you have never lived under a repressive regime without telling me. My family has.
It is easy to say that the people should overthrow their regime from the comfort of your home. People have tried and failed. Have you heard of the Arab spring?
Except for Tunisia, it failed.
https://www.american.edu/sis/news/20210406-10-years-later-what-is-the-legacy-of-the-arab-spring.cfm

I have actually! And worked with refugees, some of whom remain friends, who have escaped repressive regimes, but continue to work in various ways with resistance.

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 11:02

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:42

The are innocent. They are civilians. They are human beings that have lived through war. They have experienced loss and terror that I hope none of us ever have to experience. You talk with hate in your heart. I dont have hate in my heart for anyone. I have compassion and love. May peace last for them.

Depends what you mean by innocent. Yes civilians are protected in wars because they are non-combatants. But many are not innocent of supporting terrorist organisations who are perpetrating war & terrorism. There needs to be acknowledgement of that in any analysis of what comes next. Just saying you have love in your heart isnt going to cut it with people who dont. Peace cant last without tough negotiation/actions.
And to say @OctoberOctopus has hate in her heart because she says things you don't agree with is unacceptable.

Auvergne63 · 29/11/2024 11:02

SharonEllis · 29/11/2024 10:04

And this is what I mean about low expectations. People are capable of thinking ahead more than a few days and understanding the complexity of their situation.

Tell me you have never lived under a repressive regime without telling me. My family has.
It is easy to say that the people should overthrow their regime from the comfort of your home. People have tried and failed. Have you heard of the Arab spring?
Except for Tunisia, it failed.
https://www.american.edu/sis/news/20210406-10-years-later-what-is-the-legacy-of-the-arab-spring.cfm

10 Years Later, What Is the Legacy of the Arab Spring?

We asked SIS faculty what they believe the legacy of the Arab Spring is, ten years later.

https://www.american.edu/sis/news/20210406-10-years-later-what-is-the-legacy-of-the-arab-spring.cfm

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:55

People who support terrorists are not innocent. Their support enables hezbollah in their belief that they should keep attacking Israel. Not all adults are innocent. It won't end if they continue to support hezbollah

OP posts:
OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:52

I despair of the Lebanese who support hezbollah in their campaign of hatred. Do they not want change? Are they happy to continue to praise hezbollah.

I look at Egypt and Jordan differently.

OP posts:
OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:50

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:42

The are innocent. They are civilians. They are human beings that have lived through war. They have experienced loss and terror that I hope none of us ever have to experience. You talk with hate in your heart. I dont have hate in my heart for anyone. I have compassion and love. May peace last for them.

They talk with hate. The invasion by Israel into Lebanon would not have happened if hezbollah didn't keep launching attacks into Israel. They could have AVOIDED all this trauma and destruction and wouldn't have had to flee and now return if their hezbollah hadn't have intestified attacks against Israel following oct 7th.... not innocent if you support terrorists.

OP posts:
OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:46

as much as some people sympathise the majority would NOT want terrorists organisations to be defeated.
Not sure how you can claim that

I see I've made a typing error. The majority would want terrorists organisations to be defeated. Thanks for pointing it out.

Therefore the majority would want hezbollah to be defeated being a terrorist organisation, so seeing praise and support for said terrorist organisation by the people of Lebanon cheering waving and vocally praising hezbollah makes me look at them with less sympathy, they aren't innocent.

OP posts:
Auvergne63 · 29/11/2024 10:42

quantumbutterfly · 29/11/2024 10:15

I read your links, did you?

Of course I did. Obviously, your interpretation of the articles and mine are different as expected. Still facts are facts.
Ariel Sharon, nicknamed " The Bulldozer" and " The Butcher of Beirut", was found responsible for these massacres. To deny this is to rewrite history.

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:42

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:36

They have power and control in whom they praise on the streets... go watch them praise their terrorist masters. They could say nothing. They chose to praise hezbollah. Watch them. The joy. Its clear.

They aren't all little innocents. People treat them as if they have no say. Do better.

The are innocent. They are civilians. They are human beings that have lived through war. They have experienced loss and terror that I hope none of us ever have to experience. You talk with hate in your heart. I dont have hate in my heart for anyone. I have compassion and love. May peace last for them.

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:37

No agenda. I just watched and listened to people cheering on, praising hezbollah and saw them and their hatred. I realised that they don't want peace. They picked hate.

OP posts:
Dulra · 29/11/2024 10:37

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:31

Well the West are hardly going to prop up terrorist organisations that are proxies of Iran are they 🙄 as much as some people sympathise the majority would NOT want terrorists organisations to be defeated.

EDITED to add the missed not

Edited

Well the West are hardly going to prop up terrorist organisations
I wasn't talking about terrorist organisations I was talking about the Lebanese government/ army who some posters have said need to overthrow Hezbollah

as much as some people sympathise the majority would NOT want terrorists organisations to be defeated.
Not sure how you can claim that?

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:36

Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:29

We are talking about civilians who have no power in these matters.

You clearly have an agenda.

They have power and control in whom they praise on the streets... go watch them praise their terrorist masters. They could say nothing. They chose to praise hezbollah. Watch them. The joy. Its clear.

They aren't all little innocents. People treat them as if they have no say. Do better.

OP posts:
OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 10:31

Dulra · 29/11/2024 09:43

The low expectations from the west of people in middle east
What rubbish. It has nothing to do with low expectations. It is all to do who the West is propping up and who they aren't.

Well the West are hardly going to prop up terrorist organisations that are proxies of Iran are they 🙄 as much as some people sympathise the majority would NOT want terrorists organisations to be defeated.

EDITED to add the missed not

OP posts:
Wigglywoowho · 29/11/2024 10:29

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

We are talking about civilians who have no power in these matters.

You clearly have an agenda.

Swipe left for the next trending thread