The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

Why do you feel the need to deny that some Muslims are genuinely afraid?
Why is antisemitism worth than Islamophobia? Both are equally vile, don't you think?

X-post. Apologies.

There are two sides to everything.

And are you now suggesting that Muslims living in the UK as UK citizens, is somehow payback for "colonialism" and "zionism". Do you think that attitude is going to help solve the problem that this thread is trying to address? Because to me I don't think that's going to help much.

This thread is about the threat to Muslims living in the UK, why do you feel the need to minimise that? yes Jews are also at risk why are you pitting one against the other?

I'm not justifying islamophobia...of course it's wrong. But I think it's far more dangerous to be Jewish
You may not be justifying Islamophobia but you are dismissing Muslims concerns. Anti-Semitism is wrong, islamophobia is wrong no need to compare who may be more under threat both are.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

Actually if 38% reported hate crimes are against the 3.9 million Muslims in England & Wales, and 33% reported hate crimes are against the 271 thousand Jewish people in England & Wales, Jewish people are more frequently targeted.

Is that all you have to say about her/his post? No comments on the points she/he has made? The spelling mistake bothers you more?

The Runnymede report showed that Muslims are disproportionately victims of assault, more than any other religious group (including Jewish people)

There are nearly 4 million Muslims in the UK and under 300,000 Jewish people, many of which including myself you wouldn't know are jewish unless they told you. I wonder what the stats would be if the populations were of a similar size. I sometimes walk down the street and wonder if I would be safe if people knew my heritage. In fact it's amazing how when people don't know, the things they say.

I'm not justifying islamophobia...of course it's wrong. But I think it's far more dangerous to be Jewish... Clearly no one should be at risk obviously.

As PPs have stated, at the Gaza demos there are people of many faiths and none. I support Palestine, and I'm a Christian (as are many Palestinians by the way) in fact I'd say there are fewer Muslims than non-Muslims.
The world's a village. The genocide in Gaza is a British issue too, as weapons have been manufactured on British soil, and sold and supplied to Israel. Also, Britain had a massive role in the zionist creation of the state of Israel, due to the Balfour Declaration. In addition, the UK government invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, contributed to the crisis in The Yemen. Not to mention its long history of colonialism worldwide. If you don't want the middle east conflict to be protested about (by either side) then maybe ask the government to stop funding the daily slaughter of innocents in the region?
It's everyone's business honestly.
Many of the material freedoms and privileges you and I, and all of us, enjoy here, are due to the long dark history of slavery and colonialism. Britain gained huge wealth during that time, and still benefits. We're not a wealthy western country by accident. To complain about immigration now is very unfair indeed.

the article is that it does not address behaviour by a minority of Muslims that people feel is not in the interests of a cohesive society

Are you justifying Islamophobia ?

Do you feel the same way about the threads regarding antisemitism in the UK?

are you trying to justify Islamophobia ?

It's interesting that this is posted on a section about a foreign conflict? Perhaps Muslims are aggrieved that the UK isn't paying much attention to the perma conflict that is the middle east?

One issue is that for some Muslims loyalty to a pan global religious following is greater than loyalty to the state and yes that does worry some.

I think it is the slow changing of British culture under continuing immigration and demographic changes that does concern a significant proportion of the UK population and I think that debate has to be had. We can't ignore all the reform voters out there currently and we can see the influence of immigration in the US elections.

Other religions such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism do not seem to bring out debates like this so we have to question why?

To be frank, looking from outside of the UK the future of the UK looks bleak if you can't start having honest discussions about immigration without shouting about racism. There's a reason why the flow of migrants goes one way.

The problem in the article is that it does not address behaviour by a minority of Muslims that people feel is not in the interests of a cohesive society. There are some that want the definition of Islamaphobia extended to prevent criticism of misogyny in the reliogion, de facto blasphemy laws etc.

People have issues with pro Palestine marches because of the degree of and I senitism and in some instances support of terrorist organisations....yet such reasonable criticism seems to be Islamaphobia now.

Yes, they are truly under threat. The Runnymede report showed that Muslims are disproportionately victims of assault, more than any other religious group (including Jewish people). I'm not sure why you're asking for a specific place in the country where Muslims are unsafe. These assaults happen everywhere. These assaults are not hypothetical either.

If this was a thread about womens feeling attacked then I’d fully agree with you. But it’s not. It’s about Islamophobia. The posters initial comment was dismissing other people’s experiences rather than being empathetic towards them. I’m questioning them for it. So yes, my tone might sound dismissing , because I’m questioning the comment from another poster. And yes women need to support each other, but if you’re initially dismissing someone’s experience, then don’t expect my support.

I haven't read the whole thread. So, apologies if I'm repeating a point someone else has already made. But, it needs reminding that successive UK governments have contributed to the death and displacement of millions of Muslims in the middle east over the last 2 decades or so. Many Muslim migrants who've moved to the UK, have done so as a direct result of those British and allied actions. So, the disturbing anti-immigration rhetoric on this thread and elsewhere, is as unfair & unjust as it's distressing and racist.
I'm not a Muslim. I'm also a woman and a feminist. I personally feel the Andrew Tates of this world are much more of a risk to feminism and the rights and equality of western women than Muslim men. That's not to be naive about the misogyny of Islamic extremists. But, you get extremists of all faiths and none. There are extremist right-wing Christians in America who would be comfortable in Gilead! The issue there would be extremism generally, not ordinary British Muslims.
Some of the posts on this thread are very upsetting. If the same things were said about any other minority, the thread would long have been deleted, due to the saturation of hate speech. But, probably good it's standing, so people can see for themselves how serious the Islamophobia problem is 😔

no need to make it a race to the bottom. Physical assault and verbal attacks should be condemned, whoever the perpetrator. It's your tone I questioned - you didn't pick over the OP s experiences, but felt it acceptable to dismiss the pp s experience. I don't, and still don't know why you find that acceptable. Ultimately, Women need to support each other regardless of our differences.

https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/oct/04/record-amount-of-anti-muslim-abuse-reported-in-uk-since-7-october-attacks

Tell Mama, a monitoring group that tracks complaints of anti-Muslim hate crimes, said 63% of the hate cases reported to it in the UK were abusive in nature while 27% involved threatening behaviour. The majority of the incidents took place in London, the north-west of England, Yorkshire and the Midlands.

HTH

So it’s ok to dismiss what Muslims are going through in this country because the poster is was replying to was spat by men that shared the same religion as the 5% of this posters attackers ? thats the impression the initial comment I replied to gave.

Your argument is illogical. Would it be ok to say to the OP that her worry about going to the supermarket in a certain area and her need to be accompanied, is a non issue as the fear is " just" in her head and "nothing has actually happened"? If not, why is it then ok to dismiss the pp s experience of being spat at, as something only a "few Muslim men did, in the past "? The blunt dismissiveness of " not just Muslim men spit... " didn't help.Your post reads as very understanding of one woman's concerns, whilst turning the other cheek to another woman's suffering. Both are sharing experiences that presumably, have led to fear and intimidation and as such, both deserve sympathy. If you don't see this, then you really need to question your own unconscious bias.

Haha! Thank you - and sorry, I wasn't telling you off specifically. I've just seen this over and over again whenever Muslim posters try to engage.

That's good to hear.

To be honest that probably the fairest and most persuasive telling off I’ve seen on Mumsnet ..