The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

I did not say it was the only problem or even the biggest problem. You’ve made that bit up. Perhaps examine your own bias? I said it was the world’s problem and then I clarified further to make clear it’s not the world’s only problem and the reason for that assertion was the fact that it affected multiple countries and is the cause of the vast majority of refugees.

Exactly

It obviously is biased and is an opinion not fact. Many countries feel that climate change brought on by western greed is currently the world’s greatest problem. No doubt many Eastern Europeans see Russia as the biggest problem. Middle Easterners may see American Imperialism as the world’s biggest problem. We are all biased to some degree but we should acknowledge this and try and avoid stereotyping people/ populations.

*that does NOT MEAN
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What bias? It’s factual - what other religion is at the centre of most war & conflicts across multiple countries at the moment? This is the issue …… an unwillingness to look at the facts. Islam has a problem - Shia and Sunni are set against each other and the leaders of these factions are starting conflicts across the globe in the name of this difference. And it’s become a world problem because of the sheer number of countries involved in these countries across the globe.

And I did not say the world’s only problem!

Absolutely ridiculous to say it doesn’t happen. Equally ridiculous to say that white people (especially girls/women) aren’t abused by Muslim men. I can also give you several examples of people I know who have been called whores, been grabbed and fondled or worse for the ‘crime’ of walking through the wrong neighborhood not covered. That does mean I believe that there is a dystopian future for a white person because a small section of Muslim men in this country have abused me and my friends.

My father in law was Muslim from Pakistan. My husband became Christian to marry me over 35 years ago as he was a none practicing Muslim but I was a committed Christian. One of the last conversations I had with my father in law before he died was how he hated the way the country was now. That the recent Muslim immigrants were not integrating, too many hot headed young males, in his considered opinion. He even objected to adhan, the call to prayer from his local mosque, because, as he said, everyone has a phone that lets them know when to pray so it was unnecessary, as was outside praying, there is always space inside somewhere, he felt both practices were to show dominance. Many people on this thread would no doubt call him islamaphobic, judging by the comments, which if he was still here he would no doubt make him chuckle, but a more peaceful loving example of his faith would be hard to find.

The threads on antisemitism invariably deteriorate into lurid posts outdoing each other on how sad the posters are about terrible descriptions of death and suffering. I don't believe the war is the reason for antisemitism either, it's just the current excuse. There are better boards.

Really weird that you don't believe it to be true when there's a report saying that Muslims are assaulted more than people from any other religious group.

Because the stats don't bear this out. The article states % reported hate crimes, if you apply this to population numbers the picture changes.

'In the same way, I don’t believe the average Muhammed or Fatima regularly experiences fear because of their religion. It just doesn’t happen'

Pretty offensive @Yerushalmi

9/11 preceded the second gulf war, the first gulf war was to come to the aid of Kuwait after it was invaded by Iraq.
Prior to that Iraq's biggest conflict was externally with Iran or internally with it's Kurdish people.

The worlds problem is now Islam? Do you not see your own bias?

Absolutely not saying that at all. No individual should ever be in fear or be subjected to abuse because of their faith, race, sexuality or sex. But in order to achieve this utopia, hard questions and answers should be sought rather than the usual platitudes as if the leaders and people of the Muslim faith are all just victims of racist white europe/US. And I find it interesting that this report and the Op are happy to tar white British people with the same brush of racist oppressors because a small section of the population are racist abusers who commit hate crimes; the extrapolation of that to white British people creating a dystopian future for Muslims is as extreme as it is me calling all Muslims terrorists.

No individual is to ‘blame’ but I have no problem in saying that for a long time Christianity was an absolute blight on large parts of the world, responsible for almost every war and the mass killing of millions and that was down to both the monarchs/politicians and faith leaders and people (Protestants & Catholics happily slaughtering each other for centuries) that is not the case by and large these days. The world’s problem is now Islam. Almost ever war is warring factions of Shia and Sunni or another faction of the faith. And to pretend otherwise is ridiculous. Their religion - their problem to sort because they do have a problem and pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Islamophobia isn’t imagined and there are definitely places I wouldn’t want to go in the UK wearing a hijab. In terms of the marches , I’ve seen pictures of the Israeli flag being flown on some of these far right marches which is indeed very intimidating given that many people feel a genocide is being committed. Religious stereotyping can be very harmful and intimidating. Terrorism isn’t unique to Muslims. People have short memories and have forgotten already about the millions of people killed in Iraq and other countries because of the Bush and Blair war which triggered that particular wave of terrorism. People need to be mindful of religious and racial stereotyping.

And to add, I've seen people harassing Muslims in the street. Just the other day I saw men in a white man yelling at two Muslim schoolgirls who were walking home from school. They looked really frightened.

Really weird that you don't believe it to be true when there's a report saying that Muslims are assaulted more than people from any other religious group.

And how can you say "In the same way, I don’t believe the average Muhammed or Fatima regularly experiences fear because of their religion. It just doesn’t happen." with such confidence? You don't know how other people feel. I'm friends with our local Imam and he told me that several Muslims have experienced verbal abuse on the way to his mosque. One woman was shoved and spat at. These people are most definitely frightened. It's not for you to say they're not. You don't walk in their shoes.

Do you feel the same way about the Jewish people that are afraid to go to London when there are pro Palestine marches? Isn’t that in their head as well then? Oh sorry according to you there are no attacks against Muslim community, it’s all in their head.

Calling geniune concerns of a large part of the population (excess imigration being one of the top two issues of the country) "Nonsense from the right wing press" and a "myth" is sticking your head in the sand. People aren't racist or bigots for being concerned about housing for their kids, public services being overwhelmed, jobs etc. There are different forms of living in bubbles. Walthamstow is very different from the North East of this country for example where your form of naivety would be given short shrift I'm afraid.

That issue is very different from talking about UK Muslims living in this country. You keep conflating them with immigration and Gaza for some reason. It must be tedious to read constantly.

They do as some are but it’d not be fair for locals to attack / harass innocent British using this as an excuse. Hence, why should op be harassed because some people she shares faith with have committed terrorist attacks in this country?

TBF Brit tourists often get labelled as boozy, sex crazed troublemakers in some quarters.

So what you’re saying is that we people like op who was born in the UK deserves the hate because some people she shares the faith with? Stupid idea isn’t it? Well that’s what I get from your comment

also , please remember , not 100% British people are perfect. Many have committed crimes abroad , so you’d not want to be attacked when visiting a foreign country or living in there just because you’re British too