The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

I always imagined that the young British men and women that did terrible things in the name of jihad were vulnerable and suggestible and I would give the benefit of that doubt to those who are 'islamophobic' too. Sometimes these vulnerabilities will come under the mental health umbrella.

Some people are conditioned by environment, the adults in their life are the ones that need to be reached, though some may be too ideologically entrenched.

Does he? What did he say?
He did get quite angry with the white American boy and his rhetoric was unguarded to say the least but perhaps circumstantial. Is he not Muslim anymore.

No, not really. I watched him recently alongside one of the released hostages and a white American student, it was fascinating.

Then we need another word for the fear because that's the flex point that allows exploitation. Currently the word used is bigot and racist and that tends to separate the sides further by losing people who are more fearful than hateful.

Ahh I see, so we can quote a well known islamophobe who compares all Muslims to Nazis because of their 'experience. On a thread about the rise in anti-muslim hate. The irony is clearly lost on some.

You missed out 'Israeli spy' who was on Israel's payroll in your description.

About his experience and connections of course.

Lying about what?

I couldn't tell you, I have not heard him say that.

I have heard him claim to be the son of hamas founder, ex-hamas, ex-hamas treasurer, ex-israeli prisoner, current critic of islamic jihad. To claim his experience of being born and growing up amongst his people and the perspective it gave him. He's a very intense speaker.

Was he lying?

@quantumbutterfly is it the same dude who said this that you are referring to? To make a point.

"Yousef has compared Islam to Nazism, and said he has "zero respect for anyone who identifies as Muslim"."

Islamophobia implies fear, irrational fear. You may as well say far-rightophobia. It is not irrational to fear aggressive troublemakers from whichever part of UK society they originate, it's how you deal with it that matters.
You say extremists are a small part of the Islamic community, my perception is that far right extremists are a minority, but it doesn't take many extremists from any side to cause a shitload of trouble and they all need to be accountable under the law, without fear or favour.
If you're not listened to, if you're called a racist and a bigot for expressing that fear, it doesn't make it go away but it does become an exploitable weakness for people who can turn it to hate.

This is the internet, faceless mumsnetters can lose their temper with impunity as long as the mods are happy. Irl we do our best to live together well.

Really? Where did the OP say that?

They are Muslim extremists though. But according to OP it's a hate crime to say so which rather trivialises the purported rise in islamaphobic hate crimes.

It hasn't been ignored or rebuffed it has been pointed out that it is serving to ignore and rebuff anti Muslim hate, the topic of the thread. Both are wrong but many who have highlighted antisemitism on this thread have ignored, rebuffed and added to the anti Muslim hate.

But I've seen another study (Yougov, I believe) that shows that Muslims face more hate and suspicion than any other group in the UK, apart from Romany gypsies. Islamaphobia is a very real and serious threat facing Muslims, just as antisemitism is a very real and serious threat facing Jews. It's not a competition.

They mentioned Muslims not extremists

I think if it was a dispute fundamentally about land it would have been resolved many many years ago. It's a proxy religious war, the centre of which is Iran who wishes Shia Muslims (a minority in the middle east) to dominate the middle east over the Sunni majority and for Israel to be destroyed. This is the basis of the aims of their regime and the revolution. Hence their funding of proxies such as Hamas and Hezbollah and hence why Sunni majority countries aren't stepping in to give assistance to the Palestinians and why they are supporting Israel in destroying Iran's proxies. The war won't end even if any land changes hands. It will only end when there is regime change in Iran. Sadly.

Why is discussing a major problem with extremism 'hate'? Silly accusations won't shut down the conversation.

The worst bit about these types of posts is that whoever wrote them are totally oblivious of the hate they are spreading, whilst denouncing said hatred.
It is scary.

It has been pointed out...and studiously ignored or rebuffed.

If memory serves, many threads on this board do ebb & flow that way, regardless of title.
As @EllaDisenchanted has said ( I think) the Jewish mumsnetter and Muslim mumsnetter boards often make the same arguments but from opposite perceptions. You have the same concerns and fears.

Are they facts? Or are they negative generalistaions about people of Muslim faith? Be specific who you are talking about don't make accusations against 6% of the UK population