Please or to access all these features

Conflict in the Middle East
Thread gallery
8
quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:27

Ohthatsabitshit · 18/11/2024 13:21

Name anywhere else in the world where Muslim civilians predominantly women and children are being bombed, killing tens of thousands.

syria (by the Syrian government & recently Turkey,) yemen, ( by the Saudi government), sudan (civil war)

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:27

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:18

Incorrect.

Precisely. I commented on this thread having grown up in an area with a high proportion of Muslims, with muslim friends and neighbours about how both sides need to work on integrating into one community. There are sadly racist thugs who use any excuse to inflict violence but these people do not represent the vast majority, most of us detest these people and just want to live in harmony.

We have more in common than we all think and it is important that we can have conversations without being accused of Islamophobia which is what this thread has descended to.

SallyWD · 18/11/2024 13:27

Limesodaagain · 18/11/2024 13:26

There is an overlap between the two groups. Some people arrive here and claim asylum and so are “asylum seekers “ … if their claim is rejected they become “illegal immigrants “.
So … some of the asylum seekers are ultimately judged illegal immigrants

But no doubt you knew that already

Edited

80% are judged to be genuine asylum seekers yet many people don't care about that.

Limesodaagain · 18/11/2024 13:26

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:22

Illegal immigrants receive nothing. Asylum seekers, yes. But you know that already. Do you take issue with refuge and asylum in which case you could say that and make a case for it but you are erroneously trying to imply that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants which is incorrect.

There is an overlap between the two groups. Some people arrive here and claim asylum and so are “asylum seekers “ … if their claim is rejected they become “illegal immigrants “.
So … some of the asylum seekers are ultimately judged illegal immigrants

But no doubt you knew that already

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:22

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:13

Are you saying the men who arrive on boats are not accomodated in hotels, because that's not what I see round here. I cannot speak for what faith they may follow.

Illegal immigrants receive nothing. Asylum seekers, yes. But you know that already. Do you take issue with refuge and asylum in which case you could say that and make a case for it but you are erroneously trying to imply that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants which is incorrect.

Ohthatsabitshit · 18/11/2024 13:21

Nordione1 · 18/11/2024 13:11

The two problems I have with the Gaza protests are firstly that it's not relevant to the UK or if it is there's not a lot we can do about it. But the fact that Jews in the UK are frightened to go out in London while the marches are on IS relevant to the UK and there IS something we can do about that.

And secondly I am suspicious of the motives of many of those on the marches in that there doesn't seem to be as much of an effort made to protest against ongoing treatment of Muslims in other countries such as China.

Neither of those are Islamaphobic views I wouldn't think.

Name anywhere else in the world where Muslim civilians predominantly women and children are being bombed, killing tens of thousands.

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:19

Nordione1 · 18/11/2024 13:11

The two problems I have with the Gaza protests are firstly that it's not relevant to the UK or if it is there's not a lot we can do about it. But the fact that Jews in the UK are frightened to go out in London while the marches are on IS relevant to the UK and there IS something we can do about that.

And secondly I am suspicious of the motives of many of those on the marches in that there doesn't seem to be as much of an effort made to protest against ongoing treatment of Muslims in other countries such as China.

Neither of those are Islamaphobic views I wouldn't think.

But they are relevant when our government are supporting it. That's like saying the concern for the hostages is also not relevant to the UK. Is that what you think?
Not all Jews are frightened of the protests though, many are taking part. Some are which I agree is something to be addressed with what is intimidating them and how we stop that whilst also balancing that people have a right to protest against a genocide. No one ever should be facing threats or aggression and I would condemn any actions at a protest towards Jewish people like that. Some of the reported incidents of being fearful of the protests though has been saying that the Palestinian Flag makes someone feel threated for example so we need to balance people's feelings with facts. Just as we need to actually address and call out real attacks on the Muslim community (the ones you were dismissing earlier ) but also balance them with people's rights in a free country.

Is our government sending weapons to China...?

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:19

EasterIssland · 18/11/2024 13:16

Some are some are not. There are several threads about antisemitism in the uk in this board.

note I’ve no problem with them. Neither do I’ve a problem about this thread being in this board

fairy nuff, just seemed not to touch on the citme very much.

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:18

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:15

Whereas non-muslim parents purely just teach kids to bully, riot and be Islamophobic.

Incorrect.

EasterIssland · 18/11/2024 13:16

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:06

I don't know which threads you're referring to, are they recent?

Some are some are not. There are several threads about antisemitism in the uk in this board.

note I’ve no problem with them. Neither do I’ve a problem about this thread being in this board

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:15

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:12

Apologies for incorrect grammar ! I say sorry when I made a mistake :) them muslim parents hey teaching us these values....

Whereas non-muslim parents purely just teach kids to bully, riot and be Islamophobic.

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:13

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:02

Some of us would say that the levels of Islamophobia and as the article says the reluctance to call out Islamophobia when it's there is directly related to how our government especially and some of the public approaches the genocide in Gaza and the smearing of anti genocide and anti occupation protests as antisemitic.

I note you didn't take issue with the thread being on this board when you posted your misinformation that illegal immigrants are being put up in hotels etc..

Are you saying the men who arrive on boats are not accomodated in hotels, because that's not what I see round here. I cannot speak for what faith they may follow.

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:12

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:09

‘Not intelligently put’ then proceeds to spell you’re wrong - fantastic.

Apologies for incorrect grammar ! I say sorry when I made a mistake :) them muslim parents hey teaching us these values....

Nordione1 · 18/11/2024 13:11

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:02

Some of us would say that the levels of Islamophobia and as the article says the reluctance to call out Islamophobia when it's there is directly related to how our government especially and some of the public approaches the genocide in Gaza and the smearing of anti genocide and anti occupation protests as antisemitic.

I note you didn't take issue with the thread being on this board when you posted your misinformation that illegal immigrants are being put up in hotels etc..

The two problems I have with the Gaza protests are firstly that it's not relevant to the UK or if it is there's not a lot we can do about it. But the fact that Jews in the UK are frightened to go out in London while the marches are on IS relevant to the UK and there IS something we can do about that.

And secondly I am suspicious of the motives of many of those on the marches in that there doesn't seem to be as much of an effort made to protest against ongoing treatment of Muslims in other countries such as China.

Neither of those are Islamaphobic views I wouldn't think.

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:09

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:06

OK I'll bite for one more post;-

  1. not divisive- discussion on an article about report highlighting islamaphobia
  2. muslims= british. Get that right in your head first and for the rest of you that have posted about us being foreign aliens. We're one of you lot- shock horror. 😲 quick cleanse yourselves you got Muslims the same nationality as you...

If you meant 95% non muslim people then say that, don't essentially equate Muslims as not being british because that is factually incorrect isn't it.
Being derogatory about anyone else having taken your word for what you wrote, as 'having half a brain cell' is not helpful nor very intelligently put - when your the one who made the mistake, just kindly correct yourself without name-calling.
3) glad we agree on attacks on Muslims not being condoned.
4) your right conversation and respect works both ways- so if the article about islamaphophia is highlighted why has this thread descended into ' only antisemitism is really a problem' ' go back to your country' ' shariah law is out to get us' rubbish.
Couldn't people have just come on and commented on the article and said yes/no we don't think it's a problem and this is why... instead of let's pick apart the ' issues' around the whole population of Muslims and what we don't like about them.
Its like saying on a antisemitism thread - let's not talk about that the hate they're receiving - let's just talk about what parts of Judaism I disagree with. Forget the actual human/ kids receiving the daily hate.

See the problem...nope? Didn't think you would. Have a good day.

‘Not intelligently put’ then proceeds to spell you’re wrong - fantastic.

mibbelucieachwell · 18/11/2024 13:07

Apologies I haven't read this thread past @piggypigalle who claims that this is a "Christian country".

• For the first time in a census of England and Wales, less than half of the population (46.2%, 27.5 million people) described themselves as “Christian”, a 13.1 percentage point decrease from 59.3% (33.3 million) in 2011; despite this decrease, “Christian” remained the most common response to the religion question.
• “No religion” was the second most common response, increasing by 12.0 percentage points to 37.2% (22.2 million) from 25.2% (14.1 million) in 2011.

From the 2023 ONS. So by my reckoning that means UK isn't predominantly a Christian country.

Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:07

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:05

I am suggesting if you are here purely to enlighten the MN community about issues of diversity then I look forward to your articles about other minorities too e.g antisemitic attacks on Jews

@Scirocco posts regularly advocating for tolerance for all groups and religions including the Jewish community. You must be new here.

Ohthatsabitshit · 18/11/2024 13:07

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:05

I am suggesting if you are here purely to enlighten the MN community about issues of diversity then I look forward to your articles about other minorities too e.g antisemitic attacks on Jews

If that’s what you want to talk about don’t sit and wait for someone else to start a thread, just start your own.

kirinm · 18/11/2024 13:06

Nordione1 · 18/11/2024 08:44

My concern is sharia law. Currently the majority in this country don't advocate for sharia law but if the demographic changes significantly this may change. That would be perfectly democratic if the majority wanted it of course. But it's hardly something I would look forward to. I think people are concerned that many or most Muslims would support sharia law in the UK however and that perception might explain why some consider them a threat.

This is not a perception that I had growing up when I had many Muslim friends who behaved just the same way as anyone else re drinking, attitudes re sex etc so something has changed. The perception has changed in the last twenty years. It may be that the Islamist voice is louder now.

Remind me who makes the law? It isn't religious groups. This country will never be subject to Sharia Law.

Nazzywish · 18/11/2024 13:06

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 12:20

Oh please. The purpose of this thread was 1) to be divisive and 2) to portray the Muslim community as 100% innocent bystanders under attack from the nasty British public.

Nobody in this thread is condoning violence against Muslims, quite the opposite. People are highlighting that there are contributing underlying issues and that disrespect works both ways. Once again any conversation is seen as an attack.

OK I'll bite for one more post;-

  1. not divisive- discussion on an article about report highlighting islamaphobia
  2. muslims= british. Get that right in your head first and for the rest of you that have posted about us being foreign aliens. We're one of you lot- shock horror. 😲 quick cleanse yourselves you got Muslims the same nationality as you...

If you meant 95% non muslim people then say that, don't essentially equate Muslims as not being british because that is factually incorrect isn't it.
Being derogatory about anyone else having taken your word for what you wrote, as 'having half a brain cell' is not helpful nor very intelligently put - when your the one who made the mistake, just kindly correct yourself without name-calling.
3) glad we agree on attacks on Muslims not being condoned.
4) your right conversation and respect works both ways- so if the article about islamaphophia is highlighted why has this thread descended into ' only antisemitism is really a problem' ' go back to your country' ' shariah law is out to get us' rubbish.
Couldn't people have just come on and commented on the article and said yes/no we don't think it's a problem and this is why... instead of let's pick apart the ' issues' around the whole population of Muslims and what we don't like about them.
Its like saying on a antisemitism thread - let's not talk about that the hate they're receiving - let's just talk about what parts of Judaism I disagree with. Forget the actual human/ kids receiving the daily hate.

See the problem...nope? Didn't think you would. Have a good day.

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 13:06

EasterIssland · 18/11/2024 12:51

Is there in those threads I’ve mentioned ?

I don't know which threads you're referring to, are they recent?

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:05

Scirocco · 18/11/2024 12:56

Are you trying to suggest something here?

I am suggesting if you are here purely to enlighten the MN community about issues of diversity then I look forward to your articles about other minorities too e.g antisemitic attacks on Jews

Scirocco · 18/11/2024 13:03

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:01

Did I specifically say you? Several PP about ‘sticking it to Muslims and Muslim bashing’.

'The purpose of a thread' generally refers to the intention of the OP, as the poster starting the thread.

OP posts:
Usernamesareboring1 · 18/11/2024 13:02

quantumbutterfly · 18/11/2024 12:44

Possibly not, unless there is a direct link to conflict in the middle east, is there?

Some of us would say that the levels of Islamophobia and as the article says the reluctance to call out Islamophobia when it's there is directly related to how our government especially and some of the public approaches the genocide in Gaza and the smearing of anti genocide and anti occupation protests as antisemitic.

I note you didn't take issue with the thread being on this board when you posted your misinformation that illegal immigrants are being put up in hotels etc..

Applepie321 · 18/11/2024 13:01

Scirocco · 18/11/2024 12:55

What you said, though, was "The purpose of this thread was 1) to be divisive and 2) to portray the Muslim community as 100% innocent bystanders under attack from the nasty British public." - which is an accusation at the intentions of the OP. Perhaps you could explain where I've been jumping on things or being divisive in the thread?

Did I specifically say you? Several PP about ‘sticking it to Muslims and Muslim bashing’.

Swipe left for the next trending thread