The future for Muslims in the UK is "bleak and dystopian"

It’s horrifying to hear the experiences of Muslims and Jews . What can the rest of us do to ensure things get better? In my workplace ( teacher) we are able to promote interfaith dialogue and the young people I deal with are brilliantly respectful towards each other . To be honest I learn a lot from them . But I know it’s not like that for all young people.

Yes - I completely accept that.
I wasn’t responsible for the thread being derailed but I did add to the derailment 😣.

I completely accept your point that it was wrong that the original topic was sidelined . Apologies for contributing to that.
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Must there always be a debate though? Yes open debate and discussion is very important but sometimes there's a complete pile on.
Take this thread as an example. A Muslim woman posts an article on a report. The report states that Muslims are disproportionately victims of assault, more than any other religious group. This follows a summer of riots where we saw Muslims being targeted and attacked.
However, of course there's no space to have any sympathy or concern for Muslims who feel frightened. Immediately, the posts start coming in: Muslims mark their territory by praying, Muslims don't integrate, Muslims don't respect women, what about asylum seekers being accommodated in hotels? A Muslim man didn't shake my hand etc etc. On and in it goes. None of which had anything to do with the article.
Imagine being a Muslim and sharing something concerning for support. Instead, you're bombarded with a relentless list of everything that's wrong with Muslims, examples of every bad Muslim people have come across. It's not just this thread - it's every single thread where Muslims are mentioned. Imagine how emotionally exhausting this is when you're just a normal person trying to live a peaceful life.
Imagine if white British people were treated like this.

Thank you for this thread @Scirocco the article expresses so much of what I've been saying to anyone who will listen (and some that don't want to!)

Our politicians should hang their heads in shame, the constant stirring up of divisions between different cultures /races/faiths in the UK to try and win votes is despicable. No wonder the racists have felt so emboldened in the last few years. This year feels even worse, for me the riots were definitely linked to Government obsession about migrants. And as we see on this thread for many people migrant = Muslim!

The increase in Islamaphobia on mumsnet is a reflection of the increase in general society. How depressing.

The PP is talking about taking over large public spaces to pray; were you in a large group when you prayed by the swings?

A sensible post, Limesodaagain

Outright lies are obviously unhelpful, but then only an uninformed idiot would believe some of them, and what worries me more is the shutting down of more balanced comments where posters have a point that some would just prefer not to be made

It happens a lot on here, and doesn't seem very helpful either

Did you report this to the pool and police? What did they do? You shouldn't have to stop going anywhere and spitting on anyone is an assault.

No but it's not just one attacking the other it's awful anyone lives somewhere they don't feel safe but it isn't one sided ...it seems to be the human condition to attack differences and to expect others to do what you do regardless.
In this case it was a public swimming pool we were told in no uncertain terms that we were not to be there and only to attend women only sessions a group of 15 to 20 men surrounding you is intimidating.

Christians do pray outside.

In my previous parish they still had the custom of beating the bounds - so one day in spring the vicar and some parishioners would go out and walk around the boundaries of the parish and stop and pray at nominated points.

On Palm Sunday it is completely normal for the vicar and congregation to parade as part of the service - in my previous parish it was literally just round the church but bigger and longer parades are also normal. That's usually singing rather than praying though.

I think any religion should be able to pray in public (unless it is done deliberately to intimidate eg around abortion clinics)

Lovely tradition and as we're open to others beliefs and parades a great thing.

Google passion plays there have been loads. This one took place on the streets of Gloucester last year

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-65213690

Forgot to ask...what point are you trying to make here?

Policing people for what they are thinking about IS a bad thing!

It's always been a thing where I've lived. The local Parishes follow a route through town following a cross on Palm Sunday singing etc and again on Easter Sunday all the congregations join together and go between each church in a parade of sorts.

It was arranged by the local legion , scouts attended it but not the organiser

Of course not. I'm talking about the British who claim they are being silenced. I was responding to such a poster.

I take it what is happening to women in Afghanistan is completely passing you by.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Wow I'm 60 and have never seen that. We do have various festivals here a big Sikh community down the road that does parades and Friday is very big in town at the various Mosques

Was that with a church group? Scouts are multi faith and all denomination leaders are invited.

Social media is a cesspit. I don't even know if it can be fixed. It's like once people had a place to air every disgusting thought behind a screen of relative anonymity, they just went for it, and then this drives and feeds into what happens in real life. People are emboldened, because they see they have support online.
I think a lot of trust in MSM went post covid, so conspiracy theories are flourishing.

None thankfully and what you went through is not right. Just not sure what does your comment want to imply with the thread. Is like you’re trying to justify the attacks OP is suffering because some Muslim men spat at you in the past. And also, a reminder that not only Muslim men spat at women

How many times have you been spat on for swimming?

When you have men telling you that your immoral and should not be there it is not islamaphobia