Gaza 2 years from now -will the Palestinians ultimately emigrate?

'Prepared to die'?! They don't have a choice!

The lack of humanity from some posters on this thread is shocking.

Glad other posters are giving a good amount of pushback.

No not when Isreal are currently demolishing Gaza and killing tens of thousands of people. But it has to part of peace negotiations if and when they happen

I don't understand your point.

That would be wonderful, Israelis and Palestinians living peacefully side by side; do you think it's a real possibility at this point?

There is difference within Palestine. Gazans and WeatBank have different govwrning authorities and mindsets (of course nkt100% but enough to make it different beflrw anykne goes after that)

So lets work towards a two state solution and the recognition of a Palestinian State

They can resettle in their own country, as it still (just about) exists. Many refugees go back to their country once there's peace. Palestinians are kept in a permanent refugee state because they can't go home.

Borders change, wars happen, people become refugees. All other refugees from wars, disasters, persecution, are allowed to resettle elsewhere if they cannot resettle in their home country.

Only Palestinians are kept in a perpetual refugee state, pawns in a bigger war, a new diaspora.

I thought they were refugees because an occupying force wouldn't let them back home.

Because of UNWRA, they, and their children, and their children's children (on the male line only) will ALWAYS be Palestinian refugees, no matter where they live. Palestinians can never truly emigrate because they are always counted as refugees, unlike other refugees who are allowed to integrate into new countries and build new lives.

It was relevant to "jordanians did the right thing". I did not in any way imply that Gazans can leave Gaza anyway

Iirc it was not just Jordan. Kuwait, Lebanon and I think one more, but not sure

Surely it's irrelevant if even critically ill children who've been bombed by Israelis who can't get medical attention because Israel has bombed the hospitals can't leave Gaza.

Wasn't before Hamas launched their attack. That was my response. Its accurate. It was good before and after Hamas attack and response it is poor.
Yes that is accurate, it's also accurate to say there is virtually no healthcare now because the IDF have bombed all healthcare facilities and have blocked medical equipment getting into Gaza.

You say Gaza has a population of millions, therefore some will survive in Gaza. I think the population was around 2.1 million. The Lancet estimate of roughly 200k dead in less than a year suggest to me that the entire population will be dead in 10 years, at that death rate. Of course, there are multiple factors to consider, such as the spread of disease and malnutrition and starvation, which could reduce extinction to even 5 years, 'When the war is over' is a pointless scenario to consider now, in my view. There is no sign of it being over, Trump appears willing to continue financing it. The priority is to stop it now, then there may be some people left whose future you can speculate upon.

Do read the proceeding conversation. A poster was commenting on what happened in Jordan after they accomodated Palestinians. Disaster. Makes some countries reluctant to offer help.

The point made by someone that the healthcare is poor now. It is. Wasn't before Hamas launched their attack. That was my response. Its accurate. It was good before and after Hamas attack and response it is poor.

Hamas could be held account. Maybe hamas might be encouraged to step aside if they weren't being encouraged to continue by people never blaming them for any of the outcomes that they clearly knew would occur.

They can't leave. Surely you know that.

@Toomanywars do you know that after Israel bombs civilians, and then bombs the hospital that they would recieve care in for their injuries, they then often refuse the patients to leave Gaza for treatment? Children as young as two who have had multiple limbs amputated are refused by Israel to recieve care outside of Gaza. Why?

Extremely poor healthcare now. There wasn't before the conflict. It was funded by aid from other countries as was their education. Fact. Hamas launched an attack that led to this conflict knowing full well it would lead to conflict but they didn't care. They still refuse to release their 'bargaining chips' real life people who are held hostage.

Hamas could step aside and let a neutral organisation run Gaza. They won't. On it goes. Israel have done a lot wrong, too much to list. They still have support against terrorism though. If the terrorists stepped aside they have no support and this would end rapidly.

They are prepared to die there so I doubt they'd voluntarily leave.

What words did I twist? Is Israel at any fault for bombing hospitals and murdering and torturing healthcare workers or not?

https://news.sky.com/story/he-was-the-light-of-my-life-and-i-lost-him-how-a-famous-surgeon-died-in-an-israeli-prison-after-being-taken-from-gaza-hospital-13253157

It's difficult to accept people that would attempt to overthrow or bring problems to your own country. Many countries don't offer sanctuary to Palestinian people. They have been held in a situation that should have been resolved years ago.

Too many posters infantilising Israel as some sort of helpless toddler that has no impulse control and therefore can't be blamed for the thousands of civilians they have murdered and not even blamed for the countless hospitals they have bombed, it's just all - he started it!

Don't be so silly. Stop twisting words. Hamas didn't need to attack Israel which led to this current conflict. The healthcare and education funded by aid was good before so hamas and their poor decisions are at fault.