Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

People are suffering now. We are still awaiting justice for family members murdered by the English soldiers. How dare you tell me to move on.

Some of us are dealing with the impact generations after the war of independence. Your comment is hurtful and arrogant.

Fine you do you but don't tell me my nation isn't still worth protecting and ensuring our history is not bloody just given the UK version.

I’m Irish . I’ve relatives who died in the war of independence.
Ffs move on . Ireland is a very affluent country nowadays. Stop wingeing and think about people who are suffering now .

I’m Irish . I’ve relatives who died in the war of independence.
Ffs move on . Ireland is a very affluent country nowadays. Stop wingeing and think about people who are suffering now .

Sorry you think the history of England coming over killing our citizenship removing our autonomy is ridiculous.

Seriously pick up a book and read it. We no longer have our language, we lost part of our island. Your arrogance is a wonderful example of usually the ignorant UK education system.

What about the Norman “invaders” ?
How far do you back ?
It’s completely ridiculous to talk about recent generations of Anglo Irish as “invaders” .

Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.

Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..

Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?

If you are English imagine you now speak french. Your children's education is in french and several millions live there diluting your English heritage with french cultural.

That is where we as an Irish nation are. We have to continually deal with the fairy tales inaccuracies spouted. Alongside with the obligatory attitude that Ireland wouldn't be the country it is today without the "contribution" of the UK.

That may give you some tiny sliver of where the nuances are

Yes languages are continually evolving as we get influences from other languages and so on but that's not what we're talking about is it?

https://www.historyextra.com/period/norman/the-normans-had-a-profound-influence-on-britain-why-then-do-we-not-speak-french/

Walter Scott in Ivanhoe says that the words for the animals tended were Anglo-Saxon but the words for the meat on the table were Norman French. Anglo-Saxon was itself a supplanting language as the Celts and Gaels were driven to the margins of the land masses.

The penal laws 1558-1759?

https://www.historyextra.com/period/norman/the-normans-had-a-profound-influence-on-britain-why-then-do-we-not-speak-french/

Walter Scott in Ivanhoe says that the words for the animals tended were Anglo-Saxon but the words for the meat on the table were Norman French. Anglo-Saxon was itself a supplanting language as the Celts and Gaels were driven to the margins of the land masses.

@quantumbutterfly do you understand we pretty much lost our own language not it has evolved. Your responses are very concerning about your inability to understand that fact.

The English tore our country asunder. Decimated our education system, our courts and our cultural girl governance.

Your responses are bizarre to put it mildly.

You still haven't responded to my question of you living with french as your language!

Is that how you took it? Some English are very uncomfortable with nationalism and some countries are protective of it and embrace it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/academie-francaise-denounces-rise-of-english-words-in-public-life

https://danishculturecourses.ku.dk/

There are those in the UK that talk of losing their culture and language, they often get shouted down. Should they be shocked, insulted and demeaned?

There's a big difference between losing your language due to influence from other languages, what young person doesn't speak American now, and it being illegal to speak your language in certain situations forcing people to take on English if they wanted to progress. Google the penal laws.

Is that how you took it? Some English are very uncomfortable with nationalism and some countries are protective of it and embrace it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/academie-francaise-denounces-rise-of-english-words-in-public-life

https://danishculturecourses.ku.dk/

There are those in the UK that talk of losing their culture and language, they often get shouted down. Should they be shocked, insulted and demeaned?

@quantumbutterfly I literally spelt out an example. Casually musing that a communication platform and the same heritage language evolving to our land losing our Gaelige language is shocking insulting and demeaning of our heritage and culture.

@quantumbutterfly your responses little sense. And your suggestion that internet compares to the loss of a language rather than the evolution of your language onto a different platform clearly shows you do not understand national pride or identity.

Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.

Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..

Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?

If you are English imagine you now speak french. Your children's education is in french and several millions live there diluting your English heritage with french cultural.

That is where we as an Irish nation are. We have to continually deal with the fairy tales inaccuracies spouted. Alongside with the obligatory attitude that Ireland wouldn't be the country it is today without the "contribution" of the UK.

That may give you some tiny sliver of where the nuances are

Possibly the most bonkers comment.

So Ireland can't have any opinion on international affairs because of the Magdalene laundries?

That would pretty much rule out every county from having an opinion so. All have groups of people treated badly.

@Marblesbackagain
There were no Anglo -Irish, there were invaders
Are you a 'send 'em all home' kind of person or is there more nuance to your opinion?
Are there any Anglo-Irish now?

Yes, its true there were links between the IRA and Irgun. But thats a long time ago.

Sometimes I get the sense that Irish people are like, hey, we made peace with our enemies, why can't Israel?

As unreasonable as the parties on both sides of the conflict in the North could be, you can't compare for one iota the extreme ideologies held by too many Palestianians and Muslims in general. (which unfortunately has led to some Israelis holding extreme views as well)

Many Muslim countries don't actually recognise Israel as a country. (sorry for the wikipedia link but here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel#:~:text=However%2C%20Egypt%2C%20Jordan%2C%20and,normalized%20bilateral%20ties%20with%20Israel. )

I for one would be very happy to see a 2 state solution, (in fact, Jordan was set up as a Palestinian state so it would be a 3 state solution) but it would require a huge mindset shift for this to happen. Israel withdrew from Gaza 20 years ago, instread of focussing on building a peaceful society, Hamas took all the money and aid and used it to build tunnels, buy weapons and rockets. They have been constantly aiming rockets at Southern Israel since then, culminating in the massacres on October 7th. Israeli citizens are terrified that a Palestinian state would just keep attacking Israel.

There are no easy answers.

Jews have nowhere to go. We have suffered just way to much persecution to feel safe in almost any country outside Israel. My family lived in Germany and Poland for 1000 years or more, it was a pretty good life until suddenly, it wasn't.

Its painful and actually ridiculous to be told that my grandparents who fled the Nazis and found a safe haven in Palestine in the 1930s were in fact colonisers.