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Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:24

I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted but Ireland passed a non binding motion a few days ago that “genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/micheal-martin-ireland-south-africa-gaza-people-b1192666.html

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Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 08:17

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 08:08

You don’t think I should challenge views like this

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“Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.
Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..
Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?”
Im

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Paste their whole comment and the comment they were responding to. You are deliberately taking a slither of their post completely out on context to take offense on behalf of the British when they were colonising Ireland for some reason that isn't clear.
Are you ok?

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 08:13

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 08:06

Btw I never suggest the Irish were colonisers !
I just objected to the bigoted suggestion that only certain people were Irish .
Lots of the newer generations of Irish will have traumatic experiences from their countries of origin. Perhaps it is worth pointing out that the Irish are not unique in having experienced oppression and for some the oppression continues.

Of course you didn't, I said PP were already responding to the suggestion that they were and should feel a kinship with Israel and that British people were victims of the Irish and had their lands and homes stolen by the Irish. You have then jumped in later down the discussion accusing a poster of racism completely out of context.

Perhaps it is worth pointing out that the Irish are not unique in having experienced oppression and for some the oppression continues.
Of course they aren't and I don't think anyone is suggesting they are. I'm sure we'll see you replying to other posters talking about their historical oppression with the same dismissive tone yes?

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 08:08

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 08:03

Well the current circumstances are that Ireland in view of its current past are supporting Palestine and people on this board are trying to rewrite Irish history and suggest Ireland is supportive of Palestine because they're antisemitic 🤨 Again this thread was derailed by posters misinterpreting Irelands past, I'm sorry it's so exasperating for you to read PP correcting them. You clicked into the thread did you have another comment to make on the topic or just to tell people to stop discussing Irish history?

You don’t think I should challenge views like this

..
“Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.
Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..
Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?”
Im

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 08:06

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 08:03

Well the current circumstances are that Ireland in view of its current past are supporting Palestine and people on this board are trying to rewrite Irish history and suggest Ireland is supportive of Palestine because they're antisemitic 🤨 Again this thread was derailed by posters misinterpreting Irelands past, I'm sorry it's so exasperating for you to read PP correcting them. You clicked into the thread did you have another comment to make on the topic or just to tell people to stop discussing Irish history?

You agreed with PP bigotry then?You don’t think it needed challenging?

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 08:06

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 07:41

I think attitudes like this is why Irish people are exactly why empathy and solidarity with the Palestinian people is so common. There are still people suffering and mourning now. Families like mine are still mourning people murdered within our lifetimes and the generational trauma that is in a lot of Irish families. It's not exasperating for people to talk about the realities of what people have been through and why that makes them understand what people in Palestine are going through especially when posters were replying to the suggestion that Irish people are colonisers and kicked the poor British out of their homes.

Btw I never suggest the Irish were colonisers !
I just objected to the bigoted suggestion that only certain people were Irish .
Lots of the newer generations of Irish will have traumatic experiences from their countries of origin. Perhaps it is worth pointing out that the Irish are not unique in having experienced oppression and for some the oppression continues.

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 08:03

Well the current circumstances are that Ireland in view of its current past are supporting Palestine and people on this board are trying to rewrite Irish history and suggest Ireland is supportive of Palestine because they're antisemitic 🤨 Again this thread was derailed by posters misinterpreting Irelands past, I'm sorry it's so exasperating for you to read PP correcting them. You clicked into the thread did you have another comment to make on the topic or just to tell people to stop discussing Irish history?

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 07:52

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 07:45

I'd also say the "shut up and get over it" attitude to Irish history is exactly why the suggestion they have a similar historical struggle to Israel is ridiculous. Ireland's history isn't that important but if we wanna talk about Israel we need to reflect back on 3000 years of history 🙃

Go for it …

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 07:48

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 07:41

I think attitudes like this is why Irish people are exactly why empathy and solidarity with the Palestinian people is so common. There are still people suffering and mourning now. Families like mine are still mourning people murdered within our lifetimes and the generational trauma that is in a lot of Irish families. It's not exasperating for people to talk about the realities of what people have been through and why that makes them understand what people in Palestine are going through especially when posters were replying to the suggestion that Irish people are colonisers and kicked the poor British out of their homes.

Fair enough- let’s keep talking about Ireland’s tragic past. Maybe it’s only me who finds it’s exasperating in current circumstances and on this forum (CITME)

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 07:45

I'd also say the "shut up and get over it" attitude to Irish history is exactly why the suggestion they have a similar historical struggle to Israel is ridiculous. Ireland's history isn't that important but if we wanna talk about Israel we need to reflect back on 3000 years of history 🙃

Usernamesareboring1 · 14/11/2024 07:41

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 19:19

Really exasperating how people with very good lives in safe countries are just desperate to insist they are victims.
What about things that are happening NOW

I think attitudes like this is why Irish people are exactly why empathy and solidarity with the Palestinian people is so common. There are still people suffering and mourning now. Families like mine are still mourning people murdered within our lifetimes and the generational trauma that is in a lot of Irish families. It's not exasperating for people to talk about the realities of what people have been through and why that makes them understand what people in Palestine are going through especially when posters were replying to the suggestion that Irish people are colonisers and kicked the poor British out of their homes.

Limesodaagain · 14/11/2024 07:05

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:50

🤷‍♀️it does to me.

You said
Marblesbackagain · Yesterday 12:08
“Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.
Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..
Addressing the nuances in posts is ridiculous as it is beyond multifaceted. But yes I do want my country all of my country for the Irish. I am a proud nationalist. Isn't everyone ?”

Im not sure what you meant by the words in bold - it definitely seemed to me you were implying that Anglo Irish ( the families whose ancestors hundreds of years ago were “invaders”) were not really Irish . I think that’s a racist, bigoted viewpoint.

Every country has suffered problems in its past - many countries were continuously invaded from all directions ( Poland/ Afghanistan)
Ireland could regard itself as fortunate to be an island as it only had one oppressor to contend with …
Ireland is now a prosperous and safe country - unlike so many places across the globe .
Yes there was a sadness about the past and we do need to acknowledge it . But it”s now that’s important.

Back to Palestine …

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:50

Snoopyandlucy · 13/11/2024 22:48

I didn’t say OUR nation is not worth protecting. I just think talking about the Anglo “invaders” in 2024 is ridiculous….

It's literally what they are. Exactly how would you describe? We didn't have a dispute about land, they didn't overstay a visit

I don’t know. The bit in italics I’ve quoted above is of you replying to a pp.
Maybe you meant to talk about historical individuals but it really doesn’t read like that.

🤷‍♀️it does to me.

Snoopyandlucy · 13/11/2024 22:48

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:04

I stated the historical individuals as invaders. I clearly states their ancestors separately. However my posts obviously couldn't be referenced correctly by a certain someone......

I didn’t say OUR nation is not worth protecting. I just think talking about the Anglo “invaders” in 2024 is ridiculous….

It's literally what they are. Exactly how would you describe? We didn't have a dispute about land, they didn't overstay a visit

I don’t know. The bit in italics I’ve quoted above is of you replying to a pp.
Maybe you meant to talk about historical individuals but it really doesn’t read like that.

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:42

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:34

So my opinion on my nation and our issues has to meet a certain volume? That isn't how it works.

I am fully entitled to my opinion.

And others are entitled to challenge you .

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:34

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:31

It’s a tiny , tiny proportion so it’s really probably not worth you getting so worked up about ..

So my opinion on my nation and our issues has to meet a certain volume? That isn't how it works.

I am fully entitled to my opinion.

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:32

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:25

@Limesodaagain maybe have a read of the no poppy wearing child thread. Trust me England isn't as welcoming to the Irish that they're claiming to be.

🙄

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:31

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:28

Why don't you go do some research. Last time I checked I wasn't employed as one by you.

It’s a tiny , tiny proportion so it’s really probably not worth you getting so worked up about ..

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:30

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:27

Actually I have the right to my opinion as an Irish citizen, but thanks for telling me I shouldn't.

The good Friday Agreement has everything to do with it. Go read up on all the work around it and the legacy it has.

Well - you don’t really have the right to espouse hate filled or racist or discriminatory opinions.

And you can’t use the Good Friday Agreement as justification for “othering” one section of the Irish population

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:28

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:27

What proportion of the “invaders” ancestors are titled lords ?

Why don't you go do some research. Last time I checked I wasn't employed as one by you.

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:27

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:22

And? You don't see using a UK title in another state as being disrespectful and disengenious? Because I do.

What proportion of the “invaders” ancestors are titled lords ?

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:27

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:25

The Good Friday Agreement has got nothing to do with any of this .
You started off talking about invaders .
You shouldn’t be describing fellow Irish citizens in ways that suggest they are not “really Irish” and you question “their loyalty “
These are people who have lived in Ireland for hundreds of years .

Actually I have the right to my opinion as an Irish citizen, but thanks for telling me I shouldn't.

The good Friday Agreement has everything to do with it. Go read up on all the work around it and the legacy it has.

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:25

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:22

Exactly those historical is the first paragraph the second relates to their ancestors. I went on to clarify those who still use and adopt their "heritage" titles. I have clearly said I support the good Friday Agreement. You appear to be reading some of my posts not all.

The Good Friday Agreement has got nothing to do with any of this .
You started off talking about invaders .
You shouldn’t be describing fellow Irish citizens in ways that suggest they are not “really Irish” and you question “their loyalty “
These are people who have lived in Ireland for hundreds of years .

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:25

@Limesodaagain maybe have a read of the no poppy wearing child thread. Trust me England isn't as welcoming to the Irish that they're claiming to be.

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:22

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:18

If families whose ancestors had moved to England hundreds of years ago were told they are now considered a “permanent fixture” as they … big up their Englishness. It would sound pretty discriminatory.

You actually continued with your claims even after I challenged them - referencing Anglo Irish who are “lords” ..
You said ..
”They themselves use the titles of a foreign state! Lord x etc. that is not Irish title! So yea while welcome please don't be ignorant of where their loyalty may lay.”

”They” ….!
“Their loyalty “ …
🙄

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And? You don't see using a UK title in another state as being disrespectful and disengenious? Because I do.

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 22:22

Limesodaagain · 13/11/2024 22:12

I quoted your actual words …

** “Let's be very clear. English people who came to Ireland and took up land and property that the Irish had been evicted from were invaders.
Given the length of time that some of those families have been here, and in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement they are considered to be a permanent fixture. Though most big up their Irishness now..”

Edited

Exactly those historical is the first paragraph the second relates to their ancestors. I went on to clarify those who still use and adopt their "heritage" titles. I have clearly said I support the good Friday Agreement. You appear to be reading some of my posts not all.