Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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The irony dripping from your post is darkly hilarious.

The fact you continued to distort every post I made when I repeatedly clarified my statements.

It is genocide

@RAplusOne

That article highlights that our history is more complicated than the common narrative that the Irish were always victims as there were ways in which Ireland was complicit in the empire etc..,,

I don't think it changes the fact that republic was occupied and is living with the legacy of partition and feels empathy with the Palestinians.

I’ve never defended the heinous events you refer to ..
I have criticised the behaviour I have witnessed of people on the marches in London .
I have expressed contempt for Hamas and the suffering they have caused to both Israelis and Palestinians.
And I’ve expressed my concern about the increase in anti semitism outside of Israel.

I have never supported Netanyahu or his government policies but I understood the need to take action in the aftermath of October 7.
I am horrified at the scale of the suffering imposed on Palestinians. I have never held ordinary Palestinians responsible for Hamas’s actions. ( any more that all Ulster Catholics were responsible for IRA )
I am not really bothered about what you think about my posts but I do want to clarify what it is I actually believe because things get distorted on here .

It's not unpalatable, but it's not a defence to the genocide Israel is carrying out.

I'm not attacking you. I'm commenting on your previous comments.

I'm glad you now seem to realise that these events are heinous and indefensible.

I’m not going to change my way of commenting to suit you so probably best you don’t read my posts.
I will continue to try to see both sides as much as I can . I do feel for the families of the hostages and I do understand that the Jewish community outside of Israel feel vulnerable and threatened. If it’s unpalatable to you to hear that then that’s too bad.
But I am not going to defend the ongoing assault on Palestinians or the actions of settlers … and that is the focus of this thread so let’s keep it that way ( unless you really want to keep attacking me?)

To quote Desmond Tutu: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

Yes we know that. I've personally found your insistence on always making a "both sides" argument in the face of these atrocities to be pretty unpalatable. There's no excuse for what Israel is doing. Maybe you should read the links.

There was no charge recorded against him. It is routine to detain and imprison healthcare workers. Some get released back into Gaza after suffering a period of torture, some are still imprisoned and others like DR Adnan are murdered.

Shame to Israel for that murder and others like them. If they really thought that in the midst of all the operations he was carrying out he was also a terrorist, where was his trial? They’d be scared of a trial though
probably.

"All basic rights required are fully applied by professionally trained prison guards.
We are not aware of the claims you described and as far as we know, no such events have occurred under IPS responsibility."
Israel Prison Service
Statement

Lying again.

I have spent some time arguing on here about the nature of some of the Palestinian protests in my city . Which in my view have raised tensions against Jewish people and refused to denounce Hamas.
However the ongoing relentless assault on the Palestinians is horrifying.

These are horrific reports. I find it too hard to read the links.
In particular I will not forget the suffering of Sha’ban Al Dalou and his family and little Hind Rajab. For me they represent what Palestinian families are enduring.

The Normans first conquered Ireland in 1169 and aside from a brief decade of independence during the 1640s Ireland formed an integral part of the English imperial system, until 1922 and the foundation of modern state. As well as being colonised the Irish operated as active colonists in the empires of Britain and other European powers.
READ MORE
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-has-yet-to-come-to-terms-with-its-imperial-past-1.4444146

From the article
TRIGGER WARNING

A prisoner, who says he previously knew Dr Al-Bursh in Gaza, provided details in a deposition to lawyers from the Israeli human rights organisation HaMoked.
"In mid-April 2024, Dr Adnan Al-Bursh arrived at Section 23 in Ofer Prison. The prison guards brought Dr Adnan Al-Bursh into the section in a deplorable state. He had clearly been assaulted with injuries around his body. He was naked in the lower part of his body.
"The prison guards threw him in the middle of the yard and left him there. Dr Adnan Al-Bursh was unable to stand up. One of the prisoners helped him and accompanied him to one of the rooms. A few minutes later, prisoners were heard screaming from the room they went into, declaring Dr Adnan Al-Bursh (was dead)."

This was another tough read. Tortured to death in an Israeli prison.

https://news.sky.com/story/he-was-the-light-of-my-life-and-i-lost-him-how-a-famous-surgeon-died-in-an-israeli-prison-after-being-taken-from-gaza-hospital-13253157

@Kindatired I read that earlier today, it was almost like I was reading a dystopian horror story. I don't think I can fully put into words the anger I feel knowing my government chooses to be complicit in this genocide.

Yes, fair point. I still can't get over them leaving the premature babies to die and rot last year in the NICU. I cried a lot over that. It didn't cause a ripple in the news.

I don't know why their behaviour still shocks me, but I suppose right thinking people will always be shocked by the depravity of the IDF. It's hard to fathom.

@Kindatired that's absolutely heinous. My God.

I heard a spokesman for MSF on Drivetime on RTÉ radio this evening saying how Israel won't allow injured children to leave for medical assistance in Jordan. He mentioned the case of a two year old who had two limbs amputated being amongst those denied.

So Israel blew off this two year old's legs, bombed and destroyed the medical facilities in Gaza to deny him or her medical treatment, and now they won't allow them to leave to get treatment.

It's the most disgusting behaviour I've ever heard.

Yes, I think it’s interesting in the sense that an iron dome missile can cost USD100,000+ for a single interception but no deal seems to include proper compensation for the land appropriated by Israel during and after the Nakba. Spend on rockets but not on peace it seems. Kill anyone who’s in a position to negotiate. Keep killing after the military advisors say there’s no point . Kill with no exit ramp. Then deny it’s genocide

So to me it’s pretty clear that the long term goal is ethnic cleansing and obliteration of the Palestinians- in 2 generations Israeli propaganda will have wiped out the memory or just rewritten the narrative.

Has anyone seen this? How can this not be a genocide whempn doctor after doctor gives an account of the children if the group being deliberately targeted?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo

Thanks - interesting

Thanks so much @Kindatired. That is all very interesting. I knew of the Land Acts but really didn’t think about any of the details before.