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Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:24

I'm surprised this hasn't already been posted but Ireland passed a non binding motion a few days ago that “genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/micheal-martin-ireland-south-africa-gaza-people-b1192666.html

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Whatsinanamehey · 10/11/2024 10:49

I say good for Ireland, may this be the start of many other countries recognising Israel's genocide against the Palestinians. There needs to be strong sanctions against Israel.

Alphaalga · 10/11/2024 04:34

"I know, let's distract from the genocide with baseless accusations of antisemitism".

Some might have expected more empathy from a nation remaining so defined by its own past experience of atrocity.

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username7891 · 10/11/2024 03:49

gestroopd · 09/11/2024 22:56

I don't see how this will work re the use of Shannon airport. And like a pp said, the new US government.

However, maybe it can find allegiance with Spain (and Norway??) and be less isolated in this.

Especially because the EU is split over this. In The Netherlands, a Dutch Muslim being beaten up by a Zionist is antisemitic... mini Germany really. So we need Ireland and Spain to join forces and not be two split entities battling separately within the EU.

Spain is refusing ships carrying arms to Israel to dock at it's ports:

“This will be a consistent policy with any ship carrying arms to Israel that wants to call at Spanish ports. The foreign ministry will systematically reject such stopovers for one obvious reason: the Middle East does not need more weapons, it needs more peace.”

I assume that's what you're referring to. Let's hope others follow suit.

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Zucker · 09/11/2024 22:58

The Bill hasn't passed yet because they didn't get it through before the Dail was dissolved for the upcoming election. When they eventually get their arses back into the Dail it can proceed again.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/6/

Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill 2018

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/6

Janedoe82 · 09/11/2024 22:58

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:54

That's a whole nother country @Janedoe82

Tell the shinners that lol

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:57

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:44

Suspending the airspace involves running into a diplomatic crisis with America as well as Shannon is a very important refueling stop for them. I think with the new President Elect this could be very contentious.

The Bill only stops trade with the Occupied Territories in the West Bank not the whole of Israel I think.

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I'm also wondering how this will work in reality.

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gestroopd · 09/11/2024 22:56

I don't see how this will work re the use of Shannon airport. And like a pp said, the new US government.

However, maybe it can find allegiance with Spain (and Norway??) and be less isolated in this.

Especially because the EU is split over this. In The Netherlands, a Dutch Muslim being beaten up by a Zionist is antisemitic... mini Germany really. So we need Ireland and Spain to join forces and not be two split entities battling separately within the EU.

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:54

That's a whole nother country @Janedoe82

Janedoe82 · 09/11/2024 22:53

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:51

@Janedoe82 with the election forthcoming they're going to say what people want to hear

It’s been totally politicised in the North and all they have done is caused division. Lots of Protestants are turned off to it due to SF hypocrisy.

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:51

@Janedoe82 with the election forthcoming they're going to say what people want to hear

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:50

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 09/11/2024 22:47

Your headline is misleading OP - saying 'Ireland believes' anything is a bit ridiculous considering we weren't asked our opinion.

Our government (who may well be out of office soon as there's an election looming) brought this in, doesn't mean we all agree with it.

I think most times a countries government is referred to by the country name in all fairness.

Obviously not everyone will agree with an issue as divided as this but from my own personal experience people are very supportive of the Palestinian cause .

Janedoe82 · 09/11/2024 22:50

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:48

@Janedoe82 I think rather they are confirming how Irish people as a whole feel about the genocide being committed against the Palestinian people

Not disputing that but I personally think SF have some cheek!

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:49

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:29

Hopefully they Occupied Territories Bill will be passed even though there is a General Election in the coming weeks.

FYI OP you are going to get loads of replies stating that Ireland is anti Semitic completely ignoring the fact that as a country that was previously occupied there is deep sympathy and empathy with the Palestinian cause that predates the current crisis.

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It says the Bill wasn't passed:

The debate was couched in the context of the government failing to pass an amended Occupied Territories Bill, which would have imposed restrictions on trade with Israeli settlements in Palestine, in the lifetime of the current Dail.

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JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:49

Except for maybe a couple of people on here

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:48

@Janedoe82 I think rather they are confirming how Irish people as a whole feel about the genocide being committed against the Palestinian people

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 09/11/2024 22:47

Your headline is misleading OP - saying 'Ireland believes' anything is a bit ridiculous considering we weren't asked our opinion.

Our government (who may well be out of office soon as there's an election looming) brought this in, doesn't mean we all agree with it.

NotStayingIn · 09/11/2024 22:46

Genocide is being perpetrated before our eyes by Israel in Gaza. I’m not anti Israel which is the usual attack you get when you point this out, but it’s hard to look at the data and not come to that conclusion.

Janedoe82 · 09/11/2024 22:45

The cynic in me would think they are appealing to the SF vote. Which I find ironic given their record on terrorism 🙈

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:44

username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:39

The article says:

It called on the government to “immediately impose trade, travel and diplomatic sanctions on Israel”.

The motion also called on the government to immediately suspend all military trade with Israel, immediately suspend dual-use licences to Israel, and immediately suspend the use of Irish airspace and airports for weapons transfers to Israel.

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Suspending the airspace involves running into a diplomatic crisis with America as well as Shannon is a very important refueling stop for them. I think with the new President Elect this could be very contentious.

The Bill only stops trade with the Occupied Territories in the West Bank not the whole of Israel I think.

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:41

Indeed it does

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username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:39

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:37

It is relevant, I have just seen threads before where Ireland is mentioned there a very negative reaction from a number of posters.

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The article says:

It called on the government to “immediately impose trade, travel and diplomatic sanctions on Israel”.

The motion also called on the government to immediately suspend all military trade with Israel, immediately suspend dual-use licences to Israel, and immediately suspend the use of Irish airspace and airports for weapons transfers to Israel.

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JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:39

I'm sure this one will be a haven of positivity

Martymcfly24 · 09/11/2024 22:37

username7891 · 09/11/2024 22:33

No, I noticed it hadn't been posted and thought it was relevant to the forum.

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It is relevant, I have just seen threads before where Ireland is mentioned there a very negative reaction from a number of posters.

flatsevenup · 09/11/2024 22:36

800 years of British occupation would incline the Irish to sympathize with a similarly occupied territory. I honestly believe though that the Irish as a nation are not anti semitic.

JaneJeffer · 09/11/2024 22:36

You're welcome @username7891