Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

I'm fine thank you. If you have something meaninful to add to the conversation, please do.

You'd think they'd be able to see that giant Arabic speaking, Muslim Caliphate which spread across the Middle East during and after the Arab Conquests has more in common with the British Empire than little Israel does. Historically Ireland has been extraordinarily antisemitic. They've not exactly done a good job of making right on that, and now they're pro-Palestinian. It's not a huge jump to see the common thread there.

I guess not

I feel like I'm reasonably well versed on the history thanks. Since its independence, Ireland has done several profoundly anti semitic things, so it's reasonable to conclude that there’s at least some antisemitic tendencies baked into the culture. If you could see past that, you would see that Ireland has more in common with Israel than Palestine and probably also realise how stupid your response here was.

@Purspectiveplease are you ok?

It means that Irish people are perfectly happy to expel colonial powers from their own nation using violence when necessary, but loudly deny Israel the right to do the same. If it was wrong of Israelis to force Palestinians to move out of Israel when it was formed, it was also wrong for Irish people to force British people to leave when Ireland became independent. They're morally equivalent actions. Both are indigenous groups expelling an occupying force.
The only reason the situation is so awful for Palestinains today and totally a non-issue for descendents of British people who left Ireland is because Britain allowed their expelled citizens to be citizens still and buy houses, live like normal people etc. There are Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza for Palestinian people whose "homes" were in Israel 3 or 4 generations ago. That would be like the people of Birmingham keeping the people of London in refugee camps for generations rather than just letting them live like normal people in Birmingham. Jordan also has refugee camps full of Palestinains who are not allowed to become citizens ever after 4 generations of living in Jordan. Jordan, Israel and Palestine were all the same administrative region under the British empire, Palestinians and Jordanians were the same people then.
Irish support of Palestine often (although not always) is direct support for Hamas. You see a lot of Irish people proudly wearing symbols of terrorism like a keffiyeh. While supporting a theoretical future Palestinian state isn't inherently denying Israel the right to independence, or safety, supporting any of the current Palestinian leadership options is. That is because even the moderates in the West Bank do not recognise Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, so advocating for them to lead a fully functional sovereign nation is advocating for them to attack Israel.

I also think our past and how intermingled our state institutions were with the Catholic Church is a good example of why it is important to separate the state from the church. Thankfully the churches influence on society is pretty much gone now.

No idea why you picked that username it is the complete opposite of what you post. Lettherebehate would be more appropriate

Saw it this afternoon too, pretty depressing that's what you got from it

We are standing up and facing our past and owning the mistakes, as unpalatable as they are. The church and society were complicit in what happened but show me a country that doesn't have uncomfortable skeletons in its closet.

You're making a holy show of yourself

I've just seen Small Things Like These. The Irish should stop throwing stones at glass houses.

I have asked for my post to be removed, even though I think the linked article made valid and interesting historical points, as I found out after posting that one of writers had also written about Oct 7 as positive resistance but without any reference to the terrible atrocities committed by Hamas on innocent Israelis.

If misinformation was a post...

Where to even start or is it worth even bothering when the same poster writes the same lies on every thread despite being corrected numerous times. Israeli propaganda is one hell of a drug.

Not sure why we waste our time with this hateful poster.

I can say quite categorically that Israel gives not one shiny shite what an irrelevant nation like Ireland believes.

What a pleasure person you are.
Yes Ireland is a tiny irrelevant nation no idea why it seems to get so much attention. Clearly seems to hit a nerve with some.

Gaza's population has risen since Oct 7.

@PurpleChrayn you have said this before and I asked you where you have gotten your figures from but you never answered. It would be great if you could answer here. How many people have died in Gaza since Oct 7 not just directly by Israeli bombings and shooting but indirectly through untreated illnesses, disease and malnutrion? How many bodies are under the rubble? How many live births have happened in Gaza since Oct 7? What are your sources for this information?

@Purspectiveplease Perhaps it is because of some of the literal shared history. You could start by googling the Black and Tans.

The Israeli fight for independence is more similar to the Irish struggle for independence
This is an embarassingly stupid thing to say.

Many British people who had lived in Ireland for 800 years were expelled from their homes and Irish people don't seem to advocate returning them, even if they still own their keys
What does this mean?

But somehow they deny Israel the right to independence that they enjoy.
They don't deny Israel anything. Why does supporting a sovereign state of Palestine deny Israel independence?

I have posted this before I think this article explains it very well.

This article explains very well why the Irish feel a kinship with Palestine and why they have supported them for decades. It is not true that it stems from antisemitism and to suggest it is, is dismissing the similar struggles Irish and Palestinians have endured often at the hands of the same people in Britain. Some key extracts to explain where this relationship stems from.
www.npr.org/2024/03/14/1233395830/ireland-pro-palestinian

Some extracts:
Until 1921, what's now the Republic of Ireland was a British colony. Northern Ireland remains part of the United Kingdom. And many Irish people say their experience of British occupation — as well as their own sectarian conflict, and 19th century famine — gives them empathy and shared history with the Palestinian struggle.

Ireland may be a mostly white European country, but many Irish people say they identify more with the Global South's experience of imperialism and colonialism.

"It's the same with South Africa, it's the same with South America," says Kirsten Farrelly, an activist with the group Mothers Against Genocide, which stages weekly demonstrations outside the Israeli Embassy in Dublin. "All these scars are being opened up in us, when we see what's happening to the Palestinians."

Another thing Ireland and Palestine had in common were the Black and Tans. They were a brutal British police force named for the color of their uniforms, and infamous for killing Irish civilians in the early 20th century. After Irish independence, the Black and Tans deployed to British Mandate Palestine, where they exercised colonial power over the mostly Arab population there.

The article also goes into detail why Ireland is often perceived as anti Israel and their role in WW2

Article also highlights:
Ironically enough, Ireland started off as pro-Israel. A lot of Irish people back in the early 20th century identified with this idea of this displaced people who have gone through turmoil throughout history — just like the Irish," Clarke says. "And the idea of them getting their own state, their own home appealed to a lot of Irish people. They said, let's give them somewhere safe."
The current Israeli president, Isaac Herzog, traces his own ancestry back to that era. His father and grandfather were both born in Ireland. The latter served the country's chief rabbi, nicknamed the "Sinn Féin Rabbi" for his republican politics and fluent Irish language.

It was well after Israel's founding, Clarke says, when it annexed and occupied more Arab land, that Irish public opinion flipped pretty dramatically.

Nearly 80 years later, de Valera is not seen as a Nazi sympathizer — neither in Ireland, nor Israel. In fact, there's a forest dedicated to him in northern Israel.

"So when people say Ireland was antisemitic in World War II, it's almost weaponized against people in Ireland who want to speak out against Israel," Clarke says.

www.jta.org/archive/irish-jews-dedicate-forest-in-israel-in-tribute-to-de-valera

It may also be of interest to those Americans who have Irish heritage.

Many British people who had lived in Ireland for 800 years were expelled from their homes
Must have been vampires?

I do not understand why Irish people see themselves in Palestinians. Palestine is an outpost of a caliphate which violently expelled the majority of the indigenous people. The Arab conquests and the massive Arabic speaking, Muslim empire they created is much more analogous to the British Empire than to Ireland. The Israeli fight for independence is more similar to the Irish struggle for independence. Many British people who had lived in Ireland for 800 years were expelled from their homes and Irish people don't seem to advocate returning them, even if they still own their keys. But somehow they deny Israel the right to independence that they enjoy. Maybe it’s poor history education, maybe it’s the echo of old Catholic antisemitism or maybe it’s just plain old modern antisemitism.

Shannon Airport has been discussed previously and back in Nov (don't know if it has changed) the position was:

"Mr Varadkar said there were “very strict rules” around the US military’s use of the airport.

“There aren’t flights going from the US through Shannon to Israel,” he said.
“There are troops being carried to US bases and anybody carrying munitions needs permission and a licence.
“Under the terms of the Air Navigation Foreign Military Aircraft Order 1952, all foreign military aircraft wishing to overfly and land in the state require diplomatic clearance from the minister of foreign affairs.
“This is subjected to strict conditions with full respect to Ireland’s policy of military neutrality, including that the aircraft is unarmed, that it carries no arms, ammunition or explosives, that it does not engage in intelligence gathering, and that the flight in question does not form part of a military exercise or operation.

“The policy is well known and fully understood by the United States and other international partners, and it’s done in compliance with Ireland’s traditional policy of military neutrality.”"