Ireland believe genocide being perpetrated

Look at Rwanda. People who participated in a genocide live side by side with their victims. It's not perfect but peace is always possible because most people want to live in peace and have a good life and feel safe. The majority always want to get on with normal life stuff.

Israel needs to give Palestinians the hope of a positive future: what they are doing now will just cause more terrorism.

Tragically The Palestinian conflict has gone too far for that sort of resolution

There’s been some progress for the Finucane family at last. Hope the government keep their assurances to them this time. As his widow Geraldine said in her statement ‘After 35 years of cover-ups, it is time for the truth.’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/11/public-inquiry-announced-into-1989-of-belfast-solicitor-pat-finucane

Have the British government admitted to collusion or apologised for it?

Yeah. They haven't even admitted most of it. Which makes reconciliation impossible.

They did for bloody Sunday and there were cases against British soldiers but that stopped with the tories legacy bill. I think labour are looking to repeal it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66648806.amp

Have the British government admitted to collusion or apologised for it?

@Kindatired that's absolutely heinous. My God.

I heard a spokesman for MSF on Drivetime on RTÉ radio this evening saying how Israel won't allow injured children to leave for medical assistance in Jordan. He mentioned the case of a two year old who had two limbs amputated being amongst those denied.

So Israel blew off this two year old's legs, bombed and destroyed the medical facilities in Gaza to deny him or her medical treatment, and now they won't allow them to leave to get treatment.

It's the most disgusting behaviour I've ever heard.

Yes, I think it’s interesting in the sense that an iron dome missile can cost USD100,000+ for a single interception but no deal seems to include proper compensation for the land appropriated by Israel during and after the Nakba. Spend on rockets but not on peace it seems. Kill anyone who’s in a position to negotiate. Keep killing after the military advisors say there’s no point . Kill with no exit ramp. Then deny it’s genocide

So to me it’s pretty clear that the long term goal is ethnic cleansing and obliteration of the Palestinians- in 2 generations Israeli propaganda will have wiped out the memory or just rewritten the narrative.

Has anyone seen this? How can this not be a genocide whempn doctor after doctor gives an account of the children if the group being deliberately targeted?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo

I think there is a great deal of truth in this but I think the British public is much better informed than it was in the height of the troubles when a very simplistic narrative was conveyed by the British press and politicians. I think it’s better now and the Peace process and move towards truth and reconciliation has helped the exposure of the collusion between British authorities and Loyalist terrorists / paramilitaries .
I hope that Israel and Gaza are able to move forward but I fear things have gone too far for reconciliation for generations currently living in the region.
I hope I’m wrong.

No they really don't, the education system doesn't cover it which isn't a suprise really and many of the horrors taking place were out for sight for them which I think is very similar to the experience of many Israelis.

Yes, I don't think most English people have the first clue about the level of collusion between the British army, British government and loyalist paramilitaries to murder civilians in NI.

Yes the impact of trauma destroys lives. I really fear for the young children in Gaza and the future they'll have, if they survive, because of what they've witnessed and lived through. No child should be exposed to such horrors

I had family members ( Catholic) living in what was termed “bandit country “ on the border. It was a terrible time. No one in my immediate family was killed but lives were ruined in other ways ..

Yes, I don't think most English people have the first clue about the level of collusion between the British army, British government and loyalist paramilitaries to murder civilians in NI.

I actually think that the way a lot of people speak about the violent history between Ireland the UK is something very similar to the Israel/ Palestine debate. As terrible as the IRA were, everyone knows they exist and we educate British people about them but there's no education or acknowledgement made of the violent terrorism and murders inflicted on people by terror groups that supported the British state or paramilitary groups. I think this is why I personally take umbridge at the notion everyone should just move on from our past because it's why we are seeing our government still support colonial violence without really learning anything and why we have also seen governments in recent times jeapordise the GFA. With Hamas everyone is comfortable condemning them and calling out their evil terrorist behaviour for what it is but the actions of settler groupsnor IDF which should also be classed as terrorism is given more nuance or like they were acting that way because someone made them.

I’ve never defended the heinous events you refer to ..
I have criticised the behaviour I have witnessed of people on the marches in London .
I have expressed contempt for Hamas and the suffering they have caused to both Israelis and Palestinians.
And I’ve expressed my concern about the increase in anti semitism outside of Israel.

I have never supported Netanyahu or his government policies but I understood the need to take action in the aftermath of October 7.
I am horrified at the scale of the suffering imposed on Palestinians. I have never held ordinary Palestinians responsible for Hamas’s actions. ( any more that all Ulster Catholics were responsible for IRA )
I am not really bothered about what you think about my posts but I do want to clarify what it is I actually believe because things get distorted on here .

Ffs move on

Here you go in case your memory fades. After I had stated over five occasions clarification. Pot. Kettle

This started off with me criticising the term “English invaders . “ I was told that was an accurate term but it’s not an accurate term for describing the situation in the North in the 20th century .
If this is about the Troubles in the 90’s then let’s drop the term “English invaders” as it’s a bigoted term in that context…