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EricInk · 08/11/2024 09:58

I can't believe how unbalanced the media reporting is of the events last night

The maccabi fans were behaving atrociously and inciting conflict the entire day, pulling down flags, chanting 'fuck Palestine' and intimidating Dutch Arabs

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PurpleChrayn · 08/11/2024 10:53

Yeah and Kristallnacht was just a bit of harmless window breaking.

Hmm
KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:42

Usernamesareboring1 · 08/11/2024 10:37

Why are you perpetuating division between groups particularly ones that aren't mutually exclusive? There are British Jewish Pro-Palestinian people. And why would there be examples of British Jewish beating Pro-Palestinian people unless you're equating pro-Palestinian with people being racist and violent. Taking down posters, while despicable, is not the same as attacking Arab taxi drivers cars for example, the latter being more likely to breed a violent response considering it's inciting violence.

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You are correct. Just as an example of British Jews being attacked for being pro-palestinian by thugs.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24315898.oxford-men-shout-antisemitic-abuse-palestine-protesters/

Oxford pro-Palestine camp 'attacked' by men screaming 'terrorists'

A group of men shouting their support for Israel has been accused of shouting antisemitic abuse at Jewish campers who were supporting the…

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24315898.oxford-men-shout-antisemitic-abuse-palestine-protesters

Usernamesareboring1 · 08/11/2024 10:37

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Why are you perpetuating division between groups particularly ones that aren't mutually exclusive? There are British Jewish Pro-Palestinian people. And why would there be examples of British Jewish beating Pro-Palestinian people unless you're equating pro-Palestinian with people being racist and violent. Taking down posters, while despicable, is not the same as attacking Arab taxi drivers cars for example, the latter being more likely to breed a violent response considering it's inciting violence.

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:32

Well I hope whoever was part of last nights violence is caught and prosecuted. Football hooligans have really got out of hand over the years and more needs to be done to prevent it.

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:28

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Ofcourse there has been violence. I didn't say it was specifically about British Jews or anything like that. There has been violence from what I have seen from thugs who identify with either side.

Comedycook · 08/11/2024 10:22

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Yes I'd like to see evidence of this too....

The Jewish community in the UK is overwhelmingly peaceful, hardworking, law abiding, assimilated and has contributed so much which is why to see so many people in the UK turn their backs on British Jews just disgusts me.

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:20

Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 10:20

Both sides?

There's violent people everywhere.

BeFluentPombear · 08/11/2024 10:20

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Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 10:20

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:19

There's plenty of them who are violent towards pro Palestinians. Don't act like the violence doesn't go both ways.

Both sides?

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:19

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There's plenty of them who are violent towards pro Palestinians. Don't act like the violence doesn't go both ways.

Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 10:18

I’ve seen people begging not to be beaten up while saying “I’m not Jewish, I’m not Jewish” and of a dad running through the streets with his son and people having their heads stamped on and of more people jumping into to canals and of attackers yelling pro-Palestine/anti-Israeli things as they attack people in the street.

You are absolutely saying they deserved it.

Your OP implies ALL the Maccabi were behaving badly all day and that they incited the attacks therefore, they deserved what they got for not behaving. Were they not being Good Jews?

Oh, I’ve also heard that the attackers were not Ajax fans but were instead “highly organised” groups of men who had planned their attacks. Now, I don’t know the nationality/cultural background of those people but it’s safe to say they weren’t attacking the Maccabi fans because they supported a different team.

I will go look at the videos proudly posted on SM.

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:18

@BeFluentPombear

This was on the news
I've spoken to a fan who went to the match last night, who reports seeing Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters on the Amsterdam metro "going up and down the carriages three or four times looking for a fight".
Conor Dalton tells me: "I felt worried. Everyone was going into the city so everyone knew what was going to happen."
He adds that he is "shocked by the portrayal" of the incident in the media, adding that the attacks were "completely provoked" and Palestinian flags were "torn down the night before".

BeFluentPombear · 08/11/2024 10:16

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EricInk · 08/11/2024 10:15

@BeFluentPombear
Of course not!
I am against any intimidation of anyone

I'm just disappointed at how this has been reported/portrayed in the mainstream media

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KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:14

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Well two wrongs don't make a right.
If the Israel football hooligans did indeed do that then I can see why the Dutch hooligans responded. It was never going to end well.

EricInk · 08/11/2024 10:12

@Lolapusht
Have you seen the videos the supporters proudly posted on social media prior to the match?

Unacceptable behaviour
Not saying they deserved what happened

However that was always going to inflame tensions

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Lolapusht · 08/11/2024 10:08

Those blooming football fans going around ambushing themselves and beating themselves up, running themselves over, throwing themselves in canals for no reason.

Attention seeking yobs.

KoalaBC · 08/11/2024 10:07

There was another thread but it got deleted. I don't think mumsnet allows discussion on this incident.