Amsterdam

@MrsSkylerWhite If you are going to condemn killing innocent children (understandably so) then you need to condemn everyone responsible. Hamas are responsible for killing many children on both sides. So if your not pro Hamas CONDEMN their actions!!! If you are going to put all the blame on Israel then you are misguided.

And of course many civilians have died if they are not allowed to evacuate and terror tunnels are strategically placed under civilians. The terrorists are at fault here, they started this conflict and then hid under civilians. They don’t care about the Palestinian children, how they’ve spent their billions have proven that. They could have made Palestine amazing with all that money. But instead they built downwards, instead of upwards.

Millie1501 · Today 00:20

EasterIssland · Today 00:18
Sure.

Some people believe what they want to believe. I like to work with facts. The layout of Gaza in terms of tunnels and what is above them is proof enough as to what their motives are. If you are pro Hamas you need your head examined.

With respect, Millie, you’re beginning to tip into the hysterical now.

Of course EasterIsland is not “pro-Hamas”. Neither are the many millions around the world who are deeply concerned about the actions of the uncontrolled Government of Israel against the innocents in Gaza. She (he?) is pro-innocent civilians who are being slaughtered and maimed in their dozens every day. Anyone with an iota of compassion would be.

No Israel have been attacked relentlessly since October 7th via rockets and drones. Many Israelis have been displaced as a result. The difference is the Israeli government allow their civilians to be removed from harms way unlike Hamas. The Israeli soldiers are not hiding in tunnels under their own civilians. If they were doing that a lot more Israelis would have died. As I have said Hamas need to be removed for the sake of both sides. Palestine need to be governed by people who protect their civilians and are not Islamist lunatics who want to kill all Jews. The solution is very obvious.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians have been displaced. Children approaching the tens of thousands have been murdered.

Your view is so entrenched that you won’t even try to consider any other. Some members of the Israeli Government are Zionist lunatics who want to kill all Palestinians. The illegal settlers most certainly are.

The solution is not at all obvious.

Sure.

A few articles and quotes from people who may well be biased in this is not proof. This is not definitive proof.

quantumbutterfly

Oh right, you're just comparing the IDF to Dutch civilians.

The behaviour of the gangs in Amsterdam yesterday was reprehensible. As another poster has just put it perfectly, collective punishment.

I was pointing out to the PP that the actions of the Israeli government in perpetrating collective punishment against innocent citizens of Gaza are equally irrational and reprehensible and that that poster’s argument is completely one sided.

Would have thought that was fairly obvious.

Evil is being perpetrated on both sides.

No Israel have been attacked relentlessly since October 7th via rockets and drones. Many Israelis have been displaced as a result. The difference is the Israeli government allow their civilians to be removed from harms way unlike Hamas. The Israeli soldiers are not hiding in tunnels under their own civilians. If they were doing that a lot more Israelis would have died. As I have said Hamas need to be removed for the sake of both sides. Palestine need to be governed by people who protect their civilians and are not Islamist lunatics who want to kill all Jews. The solution is very obvious.

My nonsense

2002
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf

aug 2024
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps

Oct 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html

You are speaking nonsense, there is no evidence that Israel are using civilians as human shields. Hamas are mega rich and have spent a LOT of money building these terror tunnels. Obviously placing schools, hospitals etc above them is proof as to what what their intentions. I watched a video recently with someone from Gaza admitting Hamas will not let civilians evacuate. I have to question a persons morals who allows an evil terrorist group who committed the October 7th attacks to control the narrative. Hamas do not care about the Palestinian children, if you want to save those kids Hamas need to be removed permanently.

Oh right, you're just comparing the IDF to Dutch civilians.

Israel has gone way beyond defending itself, @Millie1501. More children in Gaza have been killed than have fighters on either side. Doesn’t that chill you?

I agree with these posts too

Did you just conflate Gaza and Amsterdam?

No?
I responded to another poster's comments by showing how her(presumably) words could apply to the attitude of some Israelis towards Palestinians.

Please don’t use the human shield card when it’s been proven Israel uses Palestinians as human shields as well.

israel is doing collective punishment. Same way thugs used it yesterday against Israel thugs

Yes Israel are targeting the people responsible for October 7th. They are targeting Hamas who are the terrorist organisation responsible. Unfortunately Hamas have built schools, hospitals etc. above terror tunnels they are hiding in to maximise civilian deaths. They are using those children as human shields so you should blame the jihadis for that. Israel has a right to defend itself against a terrorist organisation who want to remove the only Jewish state that exists on this planet. I hate that children have suffered on both sides but Hamas are to blame on both sides.

Did you just conflate Gaza and Amsterdam?

Millie1501

Ok did the thugs who attacked random Israelis only target the people responsible for attacking these taxi drivers? Did they specifically seek out these people? It still wouldn’t condone their behaviour as civilised people would call the police, not take to the streets and carry out acts of violence. But no they attacked any Jew they could find at random, who had nothing to do with the taxi driver incidents. They are just anti semitic racist thugs who wanted to attack them simply because they are Jews“

Has the Israeli government only attacked the thugs who killed, raped and maimed on 7th October?

No. It has attacked any Palestinian it could find, who had nothing to do with 7th October or Hamas. Children. They are just anti-Palestinian, racist thugs who want to attack them simply because they are Palestinian.

It cuts both ways.

Any comment about Israel thugs causing problems in Amsterdam or should we continue minimising them and only focus of what local thugs did? No violence and chanting should be accepted. As I’ve said above hooligans from any football team should be banned and not allowed to travel to any other country. They only cause problems

Ok did the thugs who attacked random Israelis only target the people responsible for attacking these taxi drivers? Did they specifically seek out these people? It still wouldn’t condone their behaviour as civilised people would call the police, not take to the streets and carry out acts of violence. But no they attacked any Jew they could find at random, who had nothing to do with the taxi driver incidents. They are just anti semitic racist thugs who wanted to attack them simply because they are Jews.

The maccabi hooligans also attacked a taxi driver the night before and attacked another person last night.

KoalaBC

“IDF will f the arabs*
Why is school out in Gaza?
There are no children left there”

That’s one of the sickest things I’ve ever read. Adults celebrating the death of children. (As were the Hamas terrorists who killed children on 7th October).

Are people seriously going to justify the level of violence I have seen against random Jews in the street with “but they chanted things or burned a flag”. I don’t care!!!! That doesn’t justify this level of violence or any physical violence. Also I seriously doubt these pro Palestine mobs made sure they only attacked Jews who were involved in any of that (still wrong). No!!! They attacked every Jew they could find. I am sure most of them had done nothing. They are anti semitic racist thugs who attacked them simply because they are Jews and those with dual nationality should be deported! We have had pro Palestine marches weekly in the uk calling for violence against Jews, some took to the streets to celebrate October 7th. The Jews are blamed for everything, even when they are attacked. It’s a very concerning time for Europe.

This

I don't know why the Mayor or the King or the Police called it 'an explosion of anti semitism ' . Perhaps because it was!

I don't know why they didn't condone chants. Perhaps the anti semitic attacks were planned, coordinated attacks that were going to happen regardless of anything else than evening. There were men on scooters coordinated to attack Jewish people. Asking who were Jews first then attacking.

Thankfully they knew what it was and called it what it was. Thank goodness people on these mn threads aren't in charge, it would be minimised, denied and swept up the carpet. I'd rather listen to them than you.