Hamas don’t want peace

i think the question is only clear once I understand your motivations. And good try trying to limit a complex situation with a closed question. Unless a person isn’t very bright they would realise it’s not a yes/no situation. Although, of course, I realise many people on this thread seem to have reduced themselves to binary thinking which is really rather sad.

Nice try lol! It is not a “land grab” you could argue that happened during the Babylonian exile, although, of course it’s even more complicated.

And yes it is about Hamas. Do you normally have issues with comprehension or do you generally just misrepresent others words.

You make a couple of very strong points. I think many would agree here.

1. This is not about Hamas.
2. This is about the land grab and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians because otherwise Israel 'does not feel safe'.

It's a completely clear question. You could even answer yes or no. It's not rhetoric, just a question, I'd be interested in your answer.

Why aren't all the ME countries around Palestine coming to the rescue of the Palestinians?

But maybe that’s the point. It’s not about righting wrongs, it’s about understanding where today has come from. You have to understand history to understand the present.

Why do people want to make reparations for Slavery? Why are people so concerned with the contents of the British museum. Why do we remember those who have their lives fighting for their country? Why should we always remember the holocaust - why don’t people want to know the history over millenia that enabled that to happen? Because if we don’t know that we don’t know the history of the holocaust and we think it was isolated rather than an event happening over and over through history - unless we recognise that it will continue to happen over and over. We need to be so so conscious to ensure it really never happens again. Jews having their homeland is so important- it should be a place where no one is allowed to threaten them with yet another exile, no one should be allowed to attack them. No wonder they defend it so staunchly.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that somehow the Holocaust was a positive thing? Because that is pretty abhorrent

And historically inaccurate. No mention of the Romans at all. Nor that Palestinians DNA shows that they are descendants of the Canaanites.....

That’s fine, all wars have victims who need looking after, for someone to dress the wounds. So maybe stick to that element
Yes I'm far more suited to healing rather than the destruction and murder

by your own admission you don’t understand.
No I didn't, I understand very well what I am witnessing

All these scenarios are so tiresome

You really do need to understand the past to understand the present. We are seeing people calm for yet another iteration of it.

That’s fine, all wars have victims who need looking after, for someone to dress the wounds. So maybe stick to that element rather than commenting blindly on things, by your own admission you don’t understand.

Why aren't all the ME countries around Palestine coming to the rescue of the Palestinians?

Do you think that in 1947 Israel would have been established if there had been no Holocaust?

I don't need to understand what happened 3000 years ago to understand what is wrong with what is happening in Gaza today. You can confuse us with facts from thousands of years ago but I am concerned with the modern day atrocities and the impact it is having on Palestinian innocent civilians particularly children.

Well, if they do not separate themselves from terrorist organizations, fight to stop Hamas from ruling them, controlling them, likely the bombs will never stop.
How do you suggest they go about that @Sheri99?

Well let’s go back to the Holocaust then. Why did it happen? What made the Jews a target? this is linked into the thousands of years of exile and persecution the Jews have experienced. So that was an event on living history that can only be understood by understanding the whole history of the Jews. In order for it not to happen again we need to fully understand who my it happened before.

I'm not trying to solve the problem though I would never assume I could begin to do that, there are far more qualified than me for that. I am coming at it from a human rights perspective you don't need to understand what came before to know what's right, wrong and lawful in the present.

I am pretty sure if Netanyahu is ever arrested for war crimes his defense team are not going to go back 3000 years.

If you really can’t see that to understand and solve problems of the present you have to understand the past and the source of those problems, then there is little hope that you will ever be able to engage with this problem in a meaningful way tbh. So goodnight.

I am commenting on what is currently happening in Gaza. It is their welfare I am concerned about and ensuring their lives are protected. Yes it is a snapshot in time but it is the snapshot I am living through and it is the lives that people are currently living that I am on these threads for. I can join a local history group if I want to delve into the past.

Unless you understand the history you are commenting on a snap shot.

imagine a child abused since birth, taken away from its parents, shunted around between foster parents, rejected again and again, never felt safe, seen large numbers of their family tortured, kidnapped and murdered. Never had a home. The government come along and give him his own house, it turns out to be his grandfathers house that was stolen from him when the current occupant threw him out and sold him into slavery. The man finally feels safe knowing he always has a safe harbour.

One day as an adult a burglar breaks into his house, rapes his wife and murders his son as and all his neighbours are attacking him telling him to move out. Suddenly he had lost everything again. He turns to the burglar, who is in fact the son of the man who stole his grandfathers house and shoots him. Everyone calls the man who had been abused all his life Evil.

Actually yes, focus on living memory. Or living plus 1.

I think it's fair to say for most of us, it is own experiences and those of our families, communities and the people we share our lives with that effect us most deeply.

Currently living memory takes most societies back to pre WW2. I've known people who fought in WW2, I've known a man badly wounded on the Somme. For my grandparents the 1918/19 flu held awful memories, as does being bombed out of and the consequences for my father. Living memory plus 1 takes us back to first hand accounts by people born in the late 19thc.

Ethnic and racial memory matters, massively. But we cannot right off the living in the name of a distant past.

Or you could do a little research? Are you suggesting that we only know about things we have a living memory of? What we’re you doing at school when other people had history? Or are you incapable of conceptual using anything you haven’t personally experienced

All these scenarios are so tiresome