Hamas don’t want peace

By invaders you mean the largest cohort of child amputees?
Or, do you believe the US supports Israel only on the condition of continued genocide?

What you are doing here though is conflating individual victims of war and the state.

Unfortunately, just like their supporters, the people who hold the cards in Gaza have no intention of listening or compromising - From the River to the sea remember

I'm not confusing Netanyahu with Israel. I'm pointing out that he was in charge of the government and that was his opinion on supporting Hamas. His government has held a strongly anti-Palestinian position throughout, been committed to expansionist policies and the prevention of a two state solution, and sought to continue occupation and annexation. Hamas was useful to them, until it wasn't anymore. While Hamas was still useful to them, they weren't going to help people opposed to Hamas.

The point of a peace process is to reach a point where people can live in peace. Part of that process involves addressing and mitigating security risks for everyone. Nobody - not Israelis, not Palestinians, nobody - should be invading or occupying other people's territory, nor should they be seeking to 'wipe out' everyone else 'from the river to the sea' (a phrase also used by Likud, the IDF and the far right in Israel).

The 44% of victims in this "war" are children, most between the ages of 5-9. How exactly are they in any way at all accountable for Hamas where the last election was in 2006?!
If you want peace, the only thing that will stop those children dying and people starving is to also understand the perspective of Israel.
Agree with the people killing you that you deserve to be killed and they'll stop killing you is no way to create peace. Peace relys on listening and accomodating both sides perspectives.

So, Palestinians should be 'held accountable' for voting for Hamas under occupation, but the 'only democracy in the ME' is not really accountable for its elections?

Again I would point you to history. Look at the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah - particularly the Great Split, regarding the placement of the territories.

No one is saying that children dying isn’t a terrible thing, people starving in eats is a terrible thing, but just going on and on about how terrible Israel is, isn’t going to stop that, they have enough experience of that happening to them that they want to also protect themselves. In fact I think the rampant narrative of poor Palestine, evil Israel is uneducated and will prevent peace. If you want peace, the only thing that will stop those children dying and people starving is to also understand the perspective of Israel. At the moment all the Palestinian waving protestors are having the opposite effect. I pressure you would like to stop this, but I know plenty of ME nations would like nothing better than people to keep fanning those flames, they are after the annihilation of Israel.

And what do you think will happen to Israel if they just stop? What will happen to all the Israelis who are there. Do you think they will be allowed to live freely in their homeland without any threats to them? Or will they be wiped out by invaders crying “from the river to the sea”?

You see, what you’re doing is confusing Netanyahu with Israel (a common theme here). Tbh the who world has let down Israel and continues to do so. We should have really stepped up earlier so Israel didn’t need to try and rely on one set of terrorists and Gaza to keep the other regional terrorists at bay. It’s a precarious position for Israel surrounded by people who want to annihilate you. I’m not saying mistakes haven’t been made in dealing with the threat to Israel. Hamas and the othe terrorists threatening Israel should have been wiped out years ago.

And what do you think will happen to Israel if they just stop? What will happen to all the Israelis who are there. Do you think they will be allowed to live freely in their homeland without any threats to them? Or will they be wiped out by invaders crying “from the river to the sea”?

You see, what you’re doing is confusing Netanyahu with Israel (a common theme here). Tbh the who world has let down Israel and continues to do so. We should have really stepped up earlier so Israel didn’t need to try and rely on one set of terrorists and Gaza to keep the other regional terrorists at bay. It’s a precarious position for Israel surrounded by people who want to annihilate you. I’m not saying mistakes haven’t been made in dealing with the threat to Israel. Hamas and the othe terrorists threatening Israel should have been wiped out years ago.

@Feelingathomenow

Well Israel existed a very long time before the Holocaust.

But not consistently, particularly not since the Roman period.

I would ask you, without the constant persecution and exile of Jews and the passive acceptance of anti semester throughout millennia do you think the Holocaust would have happened?

Good question. I personally doubt it. I don't think the Holocaust was because of historic antisemitism, it was part of it and not a separate thing.

Without reinstating the Jewish Homeland what do you think would continue to happen to the Jewish people

All the evidence would show that they would have become as integrated and valued as any other previously persecuted minority. Antisemitism obviously still exists as does homophobia, Islamophobia, racism etc. I don't see any reason to suggest that it is only the creation of Israel that has prevented another Holocaust.

(clue history has a habit of repeating itself)

You must be talking about the genocide and ethnic cleansing meted on the Palestinians by Israel?

What is your suggestion for peace? What can stop Israel from killing more children and starving ALL Palestinians in Gaza?
Or, do you mean 'once your understand all the millenial trauma you'll support the extermination of Palestinians'?
I honestly don't understand why there are preconditions for stopping the genocide and ethnic cleansing.
For me, the death of children is enough reason to do all to stop the conflict and talk. For you that's not enough. I've run out of arguments. You win.

You mean, this guy's government would have helped people get rid of Hamas? (In a way that didn't involve mass killings, occupation and war crimes...)

To take responsibility for. If the Palestinian people are responsible for the rise to power of Hamas, they are responsible for their destruction too. Maybe something should have been worked out with Israel to get rid of Hamas years ago. Maybe the people of Gaza should have stopped calling for the destruction of Israel.

Again I would point you to history. Look at the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah - particularly the Great Split, regarding the placement of the territories.

No one is saying that children dying isn’t a terrible thing, people starving in eats is a terrible thing, but just going on and on about how terrible Israel is, isn’t going to stop that, they have enough experience of that happening to them that they want to also protect themselves. In fact I think the rampant narrative of poor Palestine, evil Israel is uneducated and will prevent peace. If you want peace, the only thing that will stop those children dying and people starving is to also understand the perspective of Israel. At the moment all the Palestinian waving protestors are having the opposite effect. I pressure you would like to stop this, but I know plenty of ME nations would like nothing better than people to keep fanning those flames, they are after the annihilation of Israel.

Define your concept of 'held accountable', please.

Most reasonable definitions do not cover the level of devastation currently being inflicted upon a population in which the majority of people weren't old enough to have voted in the election that led to Hamas being in power in Gaza. Most definitions of accountability cover responses contained within established frameworks and not those which may well constitute war crimes and genocide.

The territory was arbitrarily split in 1948. Going outside that territory is illegal.

Killing children is inhumane.

Starving people is a disgusting tactic in the 21st century.

Some things are simple.

What do you mean by 'held accountable'?
Should Israelis be 'held accountable' for electing an extrimist government?
Should Germans be 'held accountable' for voting for AfD?

Who has a right to 'hold accountable' people in another country for democratically electing its government? Normally, the consequences follow on their own.

If, on the other hand, by 'held accountable' you mean destroying all the schools, hospitals, homes, shooting children in the head, extrajudicial executions, burning people alive, etc., then very few outside Israel will agree with you.

Do you think the a Palestinian people should be held accountable for their election of Hamas and continued support. Should they be held accountable for not working with outside forces to rid themselves of Hamas?

While what happened 20, 50, 100 years ago is relevant to understanding factors involved in the current situation, things that happened in the past do not constitute legal defences against actions committed in the present.

The occupation and oppression of Palestine did not mean the actions of Hamas and other terrorists were justified. The trauma experienced by Israel did not mean the actions of the Israeli government, IDF and extremists were justified. In both cases, other options existed and people chose these actions. Those people did not and do not lack responsibility for their actions, and they should be held accountable within the established frameworks for doing so.

My motivation is really simple, I'm interested in your answer, you can make it as simple or complex as you like. It clearly was a factor along with others but was it a big factor, the biggest single factor perhaps, or a minor factor.

Do you think Israel would exist if there had been no Holocaust?

@Feelingathomenow Re your edit: do tell us a story about 3000 years of Hamas. It's not in my wikipedia