Hamas don’t want peace

Oh dear would you like to grasp at any more straws

Tbh it’s quite difficult to distinguish between a group of posters regurgitating the same propaganda- they all seem to blend into one.

Anyway I’m feeling in fine fettle thanks you asking.

But, if you want to know why the Israeli government made a rule it was to safeguard standards of testing effectively. The original poster was stirring up hatred towards the people of Israel by spreading false infomation

And I made no comment on the reasoning in my comment, I merely clarified that it is indeed true you need a court order.

Yes this makes me uncomfortable too

It says in the article why the Israeli government made that rule.

@Feelingathomenow I think you're feeling a bit out of sorts. You're repeatedly quoting the wrong posters.

But you clearly stated on your post that the law was there “as it is likely to show that the settlers have no roots to the land.” So you seem to think you know why they made that rule.

I was commenting on the comment that it is false that 23 &me DNA tests etc all required a court order (despite the fact you're purchasing as a customer with a private company!) which is true. I can't tell you why Israeli government have made that rule.

oh come on- pull the other one - you said the reason for this was “as it is likely to show that the settlers have no roots to the land.” This is absolutely not the case as the article confirms

I should get your post removed as it looks antisemitic to me

They (and the antisemitic conspiracy theorist who originally spread the rumour) said it was to prevent people from finding out that Jewish people have no genetic ties to Israel. Which is not true.

And how is it helping? Why is a war
(I pressure) so far away from you at risk of making you go mad? Do all the children suffering, being abused on the streets of India make you made, what about the ones in South America? Are you constantly on threads about children on the UK suffering abuse and neglect? What is it about the war in Gaza that is affecting your mental health above all the other instances of children suffering? You’ve probably got 10 items in your house where children might have died as a result of obtaining at least part of them. You probably use services and goods every day which props up an economy where ethnic murders are rife. What is it that’s focused your mind on the people of Gaza?

I read it as such too. To be honest, the use of genetic testing to determine how Jewish you are makes me feel uneasy, to be honest.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5034383/

I never blamed the Jews.

They didn't say it was blanket illegal, they said it needs a court order (which your own link confirms)..

@Feelingathomenow
What we see now can only waguely be called a war if we think of it as the long 1948 - now war. I think you stated earlier that you think it's a war and I disagree.
Any state actor who honestly considered the 2SS has recognised either both states or neither.
We have one military superpower supplying bombs and diplomatic protection to one side. What happens now is whatever they want.

Not only i despare when people are murdered, I hate it when my government supports the murder and lies to us.
As for me here, I'm trying not to go mad. A small thing but it kind of matters for me.

Im hoping to discuss to get a better understanding of a situation. So again, what do you want out of it, hand wringing and blaming the Jews?

It is interesting that people believe any crap spouted on social media. You might want to look at This. The comment made by that poster spreads false information and I suggest they get it removed and develop their critical thinking skills.

@Feelingathomenow ,

Are you seriosly hoping to find the resolution to the ME crisis on an MN thread?

Actually, the two things aren’t different. The definition of lawyer is one who practices OR studies the law. I deal with more international legal issues than your average solicitor or barrister.,so your point is pretty irrelevant (and incorrect)

So you are like 99.9% of people who are horrified about people dying in wars. That is really not a controversial view. So what are you hoping to get out of this thread? If you’re not bothered by the whys, any explanations as to the complexity of the situation, or understanding how the suffering might end for everyone involved what do you hope to add or get out of the conversation if your only view is simply one shared by much of humanity.

@mumstheword223 In fact you are not allowed to take a DNA test in Israel without a court order as it is likely to show that the settlers have no roots to the land.

That's interesting.

I accepted your answer once it was given. I only clarified that I was not asking for any specifics.
'I have studied the law' and 'I'm a lawyer' are not the same. [See, I can make less black and white statements on some matters!]
I'm refusing to discuss how it ends because I have zero power of ending it. In the same way I'm refusing to discuss how we divide jurisdiction of Mars.

I can only express my emotional disturbance at continued extermination of people (it is currently very much one-sided) AND my disgust at the governments and media of the so-called 'civilised West' that displayed inimaginable level of hypocrysy.

I'm not inspired by Labour either, but that's another story.

11:15 today you said “I'm asking you if you agree with the principle of international law” I answered clearly that I agree with the concept of international law. You even quoted this. This apparently wasn’t good enough.

I think we can all agree children or anyone dying is terrible, The issue you’re refusing to discuss is how this ends. The Palestinians have also been responsible for the deaths of children. Hamas has been responsible for deaths of children and adults within Palestine.

You don’t want to discuss nuance, but unfortunately the way to end these deaths is nuanced. You don’t want to discuss thousands of years of history, history that is extremely important to at least one side here. You seem to have a scenario which is very fixed in your mind, it’s rather like Labour, fixated on criticising the Tories but that’s all they can do, they have realistic means of solving any issues.

Most people are upset about the kids in Gaza but that doesn’t help anyone.

Oh - and yes I have studied International law. I seem to recall it’s one of the core topics. I suspect you haven’t.

@Feelingathomenow
I did not ask you whether you agree with international law, I asked whether you agreed to accept the framework.

I'm not a lawyer, and by your answers you are not either.
If you don't accept the legal framework (my first question), what's the point of asking you if you think a law's been breached? I could out of curiosity, but for the argument it's irrelevant.
You sound as if we are judging the situation. I'd leave it to ICJ / ICC or whatever future court's jurisdiction will be internationally accepted.

As for black and white, you are right, my views are very black and white now.
It's because I think we have one life and the death is final.
I think killing children is not acceptable.
Killing unarmed civilians is wrong too.
Starving people is wrong.
Bombing refugee camps is inhumane.
You are right, it's pointless arguing with me because I won't accept nuances here.

Ok so you have issue with a bilateral treaty between the UK amd Pakistan. Are those the only parts of International law you have issue with? I think when we are discussing international law relating to human rights, war, genocide, apartheid etc as this is a board about CITME. Do you agree with the international laws relating to these? As you are referencing Bosnia, you do agree with the findings that it was a genocide under international law?

One thing that would immediately come to mind, only because I’ve looked at it in the last could of days would be India (and actually Pakistan) - despite all the efforts Labour have gone with non- dons those who have lived all their lives in the Uk are going to continue to be able to hold a lot of their assets outside the UK IHT net, unlike most other non-doms. (TThis has been specifically maintained in the Budget). Why?

Ask Sir Michael Rose about the UN lacking courage whilst he listened to his men bleeding to death.