Hamas don’t want peace

I was thinking the same. A 2 day ceasefire is hardly peace is it.

Each side is hoping the other side will pack up and leave if they can make life sufficiently uncomfortable for them. Neither will. The only possible solution states living side by side with right of return for Palestinians. The question is how long it will take them to realise that and start working towards it.p, to put aside their desire for victory in favour of peace.

@Comedycook You’ve not given a meaning or definition for me to twist? You asked me, I gave you my definition. I asked you and you never gave me any definition or meaning. If I’m so ill informed then inform me?

Israel clearly also do not want peace. In all fairness who would want peace from a terrorist state who is occupying their land. It’s not even peace they are offering. Just reverting to the occupation before the genocide that they are currently committing where they still murdered, controlled and oppressed palestians but in smaller numbers. No other country would accept this.

I don't think the ceasefire offer described is of any benefit to Hamas. A two day ceasefire for four hostages doesn't make sense, if they keep doing that they will soon be left with no hostages at all. (Obviously, that's the idea in offering it, I just mean from the terrorists' point of view, it makes no sense accepting it.)

Do they want peace? I think it depends on your point of view. They probably genuinely do want peace, but their view of what that form of peace looks like differs wildly from the view normal, non-terrorist people have. Hamas' concept of peace is a fundamentalist-Islam middle east, world even, with everyone abiding by a strict interpretation of the Quran, and no Jews or other "infidels" in the world.

It's the current trend to twist the meaning to demonise us

I'm a zionist and I don't want to kill or eradicate anyone thanks very much.

I found your post insulting and ill informed....

Nope, because the Gaza strip towards the sea is a huge aquifer.
Israel needs that water for their settlers to grow crops.
The Palestinians need that water for the same reasons.
The land will go to the party with the bigger, better and more powerful friends.

@Comedycook you could start by answering the questions I asked just like I answered your question?

@Fairy0708 Jews migrated to many different areas in Europe but were expelled. Palestinians accepted them. Your points are abit useless, what are you saying? They were killed in Germany by Nazis so they can establish a state by killing Palestinians? Let me know ‘darling’.

Going back to your original point that Israel hasn't had peace.. everyone deserves peace whether you're Israeli or Palestinian but let's not forget that Israel (with the support of the West) has caused death and destruction for over 70 years to the Palestinians. Maybe if Israel allows Palestinians to have a right to their own water, aid and food, Israel will see peace too?

There's so much nonsense here I literally don't know where to begin....

Yes it is separate , but in reality most people don’t think like that, they equate the two things. When you are talking about Joe Publics response it’s a pointless differentiation to make. This is what Hamas and their flag waving supporters are banking on.

I don't agree there is no one with the power to force a ceasefire. The rest of the world actually could if they wanted to. America could probably do it entirely by themselves, but there is no political will to stop it is there?

Well of course they don’t. They purposely set out to inflict the most horrific acts against the Israeli people leaving Israel with no choice put to set out to destroy them. They hide behind the women and children in Palestine. They want to cause all out war against the Jews and their supporters and cause people in other countries to take against the Jews. Hamas are evil people, of course they don’t want to do anything that makes Israel look reasonable. And people lap up the evil Israel shit because they are incapable of critical thinking.

In plain terms it’s a political ideology (not religious) to create a homeland for Jewish people by any means (including through the eradication of the current inhabitants of the land as they consider themselves are the superior race which ‘deserves’ the land). What’s your definition of Zionism?

Saying Anti Zionism is the same as Anti Jewish would be an insult to many Jewish people as you’re are basically saying Judaism is Zionism, it isn’t. Where in the Torah does the actions of Zionist are justified? Do you agree Zionism is not the same as Judaism? What’s the difference if you agree?

And if 80% of Jews are Zionists are you basically telling me it’s OK to expel and kill Palestinians to create a homeland?

Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky are two are many examples of Jewish people who have been vocal against the Zionist ideology. Check them out? I

Hamas are Islamic terrorists. They are fundamentalists who went into Israel a year ago and raped and murdered. Those murders included beheading babies. There is footage of Hamas terrorists shooting two unarmed Jewish women who were cowering behind a desk.

Those are facts. I've yet to see those posting in support of Hamas produce evidence that they are all poor beleaguered orphans. In fact @lucyshoebeck that is simply bullshit. Indeed within days of the attacks on Israel a Hamas terrorist cell phone was recovered. It showed he had sent messages to his mother crowing about how many Jews he had murdered. Not much of an orphan then.

I fully support Israel's right to self determination. Jews have been in the middle East for centuries. They deserve their homeland. The public support of a murderous terrorist proscribed group like Hamas on this forum show why.

Make no mistake if Hamas were in charge here our lives would not be worth living. As women, our rights and freedoms are anathema to them. No woman should be supporting them. They are monsters.

This this this this this. All these Europeans sitting comfortably behind their keyboards with no real understanding of the history and life in Israel. I always wonder on these threads how many have been to Israel, seen every major shopping centre with airport style security, every street with a bomb shelter, every modern house or building block with bomb shelters. Just absolute ignorance and brain washing by media.

It's because the Palestinians are under a terrorist regime with the sole purpose of destroying Israel.

No I'm not actually. I don't think it was a promised land... Do you?

🤔 wake up? You do realise the stage of Israel was established after the holocaust where 6 million Jews were killed...wowowow wake up and get your coffee darling

Ok, Hamas and the Israeli government don't want peace. Point is there is no will for peace from the people with the power to try to achieve it.

Why do I need to grow up for pointing out that it is against UK law to support a terrorist group who murdered, raped and kidnapped civilians?

I don't think any of the violent men on either side want peace.

Are you a student? You sound like the type who gets all their news from tiktok

Grow up@whytetulip
The sane people know who the rapists are
It's Israelis where rapists go on morning tv shows to JUSTIFY the rapes of Palestinian prisoners and people riot for the RIGHT TO RAPE Palestinians
You are sick in the head if you support the pathetic IOF who dress up in the lingerie of the Palestinian women they have displaced or murdered