Hamas don’t want peace

When you say “our government” is that American or UK?

Well that’s not surprising, Hamas would indeed be very please with your perspective as this was the intention of their attack last year.

I would argue that antisemitism is the reason for Israel’s reaction to the October 7 attacks.

I'm not focused on the treatment of children. I find the genocide, torture, deprivation of adults equally reprehensible. People used to agree that all children deserve protection, so writing 'children' instead of 'people' helps avoid destracting 'but they could be terrorists', that's all.

You seem to ignore my point that our government does it.
Our democratically selected government.

If you really want to know on what I spend my energy we could have a thread in chat.

@Feelingathomenow I'd argue that the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is fueling antisemitism.

So if we look back to the post war period - there were lots of borders being redrawn. Do you have issues with any other ones?

you jace only got to look at the continued anti semitism to see the value of Israel and how it offers safety.

What would you like to see happen to the Jews in Israel?

Who said it was only an issue when Gaza is involved?

Are you suggesting that genocide and ethnic cleansing is okay because it's happened before?

ALL genocide and ethnic cleansing is wrong. It's incumbent on all us to call it out.

It's absolutely not clear that Jews are safer in Israel than anywhere else.

It was never a uniquely Jewish region. We cannot turn the clock back. Where does that end?

You are justifying one genocide and ethnic cleansing based on another - for which the Palestinians are in no way responsible. That's incredibly hypocritical.

Because it was their homeland that they were exiled from in the first place ( the first of many). It’s clear that the best way to protect the Jewish people from the horrendous treatment they experienced for thousands of years was for them to have their own land.

The whole geographical landscape has changed over the last 150 years

Why is it only an issue if gaza is involved?

Not even close to identical.

Please show an example similar to Israel - which has ended well.

I don't think this is true....borders are redrawn and people displaced quite regularly. Look at the former Yugoslavia and northern Cyprus....not identical situations obviously

@Feelingathomenow It is so important, given the history of genocide, persecution and exile against Jews, that they have their own homeland.

Why? In the last 100 years no other ethnic group has been justified in displacing and indigenous population and taking that land for their own. Why should the Israelis be allowed to that?

I’m not justifying a genocide, that’s your own prejudice speaking.

I do have a particular interest in Israel. It is so important, given the history of genocide, persecution and exile against Jews, that they have their own homeland.

Given the voting, I’m not in the minority- you probably spend a lot of time in echo chambers.

It’s not whataboutism - you seem to be focused on the treatment of children, im merely trying to ascertain what you actively do for children who are suffering in other contexts. Do you expend the same amount of energy on other areas?

Why do you say I’m not concerned about children? I think that is rather baseless thrashing out isn’t it?

Im guessing from your recent posts you’re in America. What are you doing about the many child welfare related issues in your country?

In the past 60 years whatever was the color of the US administration, they all were so threatened by Cuba that refused to remove the economic blocade.

After watching the Democrats under Biden especially the last year+, I was expecting no less from Labour and our can't call it a genocide PM.

Red or Blue doesn't matter, They're all the same under the bonnet!

@myearthisflat From (2) follows that I cannot trust the government on other matters either

Yep, they've appointed a tobacco lobbiest to consult on public health and a fossil fuel lobbiest to consult on public order.

I have to say I was hoping for better.

Nice whatsboutism.

No, i’m not only concerned about children killed in wars and especially genocides, but that does not seem to concern you.

We have established this, the reason given as to why it was needed that was listed has long been verified as false and designed to stir up anti Islamic sentiments which I can only assume was also the intention of that post.

@Feelingathomenow www.gov.il/en/service/paternity-test-family-ties

Here's the link to the official Israel government website which says you need an apply for a court order to do the DNA testing.

Mmmm. You really really need to read wider. But you’re only interested in children killed in a war? No abused children, or those exploited, often facilitated by UK trade?

Or have you got caught up in the social media hysteria over this one issue?

Yes it might help you to have a glass of wine hun

(1) This is not a war. Most experts on the subjects agree this is genocide.

(2) My government is complicit in genocide.

From (2) follows that I cannot trust the governement on other matters either (the same goes for the previous lot after they put their party above the interests of the country, but that's another matter). They have not previously openly supported genocides, so this is a paradigm shift.

🍷 me thinks