Hamas don’t want peace

Agreed. Also, the UK isn’t selling arms to Hamas or telling the world it supports them. Israel was seen as a civilised democracy, Hamas were never seen that way.

To be fair, ordinary Palestinians didn’t have much time to condemn anything, as they were concentrating on trying to stay alive and keep their children alive.

Hamas set fire to an apartment, the parents had to make the heart breaking decision to leave the baby on a window seal with the window open,risking it falling to its death over being suffocated. Fact check yourself!

That's what I thought you meant but I wasn't aware there was a dispute over whether either happened so I was unsure why you were asking me.

So do you think the people of Gaza don’t support Hamas and have been making a concerted effort to getting rid of them? Do you think the people of Gaza universally condemned Hamas and didn’t celebrate the actions on 7October? Did they offer to work with Israel to bring these terrorists to justice?

Well what two things were mentioned in the post o commented on?

I'm holding Israel to a higher standard than a terrorist organision, would prefer me not to and equate Israel with Hamas?

I've no idea what your question is referring to

Palestine doesn't need inverted commas around it. Despite the IDF's efforts, it still exists.

Palestine is not a democracy, neither is Israel

I was just typing the same thing. The bar for Israel by some pro Israelis is so low that at times the expectations are even lower than what is expected of Hamas.

Why is she holding a sovereign country to a higher standard than a recognised terrorist organisation? Is that a serious question?

Well which one of those things actually happened?

So why are you holding Israel to higher standards than Palestine?

So because Hamas don't care about Palestinian lives Israel are free to bomb, kill, injure and starve them?

Do you use that logic for other things too? Maybe kids being abused by their parents? Others can abuse them too because their parents don't care. Messed up thinking

Hamas bear blame for every single death in this war.
Hamas are responsible for their actions and Israel theirs.

That was horrific but that act doesn't absolve the other.

Let's not pretend that 'Palestine' is a democracy
It is currently not a democracy, an election hasn't taken place for over 20 years. Whose pretending it is?
Why have you put Palestine in inverted commas?

Righty, I’ll give you some little clues. Now what was I responding to? What did I say about the accuracy of the post I was responding to? Did I use any language that might indicate I was comparing those two situations- now what might I have been alluding to regarding similarities? Jesus, it really shouldn’t need spelling out.

Don't be shy, what was the reason you chose to spread false information?

And you’ve nearly got the purpose of my post… so very nearly, but no cigar! 🤦‍♀️

I watched a broadcast where a journalist asked a Hamas leader if the Palestinians could use the war war tunnels as shelter. The Hamas leader said ‘No’ and that they should be willing to sacrifice themselves.

This enables them to strike and then seek sympathy around the world. They don’t even care about their own people.

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Hamas bear blame for every single death in this war.

Why?

Stop spreading fake Israeli propaganda. There were no babies cooked in ovens.

@Fairy0708 do you not know that? Or do you just swallow all Israeli propaganda you see unquestioningly?

Nobody was found to have cooked a baby in an oven on October 7th. That allegation was disproven.

October 7th was a day of horror - and there are already enough efforts that have been made to minimise or dismiss those horrors without giving more ammunition to people seeking to discredit testimonies, by repeating and spreading claims which have been found to have been inaccurate.

There are cases in living memory of people having endured such horrors as having their children burned alive in front of them, including after having been placed in ovens. We should not dishonour their pain by attempting to use fictionalised versions of their trauma to fuel hate or justify violence.

my view of Zionism (I’m an Orthodox Jew) that I’ve posted before really is nothing like this.

Zionism is the belief that there should be a homeland for the Jewish people in our ancestral land of Israel. That’s not at the exclusion of other people living there too.

For religious Jews, Zionism has a meaning separate from political Zionism - it refers to our eternal longing for our return to our homeland, the coming of the messiah and to rebuild the third temple. It’s central to our belief system, we pray towards Jerusalem three times a day, and our longing to return to Zion (another name for Jerusalem) is referred to in our daily prayers and blessings over and over again, prayers said by generations of Jews, (for about 2500 years ) - since the destruction of the second temple. Zionism is inextricably intertwined with Judaism, although they are not the same thing.

Political Zionism is a secular construct, and is not the same as religious Zionism.
To be a religious Jew is to be inextricably a Zionist in some form, regardless of opinions on the political structures/ Israeli government/ state of Israel.

As above, the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel (i.e. the core zionistic belief) does not mean it should be at the exclusion of other people peacefully co-existing in Israel.

Well that says alot about you doesn't it.