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Hamas don’t want peace

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/11/2024 10:19

A two day ceasefire was offered to them in return for four hostages but they declined. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said Hamas “once again refused to release even a limited number of hostages to secure a ceasefire and relief for the people of Gaza”.
Isreal has now offered a million dollars for each hostage and safe passage out of Gaza for their captors. Hamas have yet to respond.

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Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 22:49

herecomesautumn · 06/11/2024 22:43

Do you get the irony of this post?

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I'm not the one trying to justify the deaths of innocent children so no. I think all innocent deaths whether Israeli or Palestinian is a crime.

herecomesautumn · 06/11/2024 22:43

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Do you get the irony of this post?

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 22:40

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:32

Calm down. You do realise that screeching at people on mn doesn't actually help.

I think hamas are scumbags and some of the idf soldiers too. So much hatred. There should be a ceasefire and negotiations for hostage release too. Screeching on here is pretty ineffective though, but if it makes you feel better? It doesn't help the innocents though.

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Screeching? More patronising nonsense.

Well atleast we agree on a ceasefire and negotiations so that's something.

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:37

Lifelessordinary1 · 06/11/2024 10:31

In my opinion both sides want to win more than they want peace - and its only when both sides are prepared to put peace first that a lasting solution will be found.

True.

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:35

Dulra · 06/11/2024 22:19

Where are these apologists????

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Do you read what you type? Upthread. I'd taken a break from here but somethings never change and none of this helps anybody in Gaza or Israel at all.

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:32

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Calm down. You do realise that screeching at people on mn doesn't actually help.

I think hamas are scumbags and some of the idf soldiers too. So much hatred. There should be a ceasefire and negotiations for hostage release too. Screeching on here is pretty ineffective though, but if it makes you feel better? It doesn't help the innocents though.

whytetulip · 06/11/2024 22:28

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 22:21

I don't see that, there's plenty of genocide apologists though. Has history taught us nothing??

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/we-are-witnessing-the-final-stage-of-genocide-in-gaza

Have a good read

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Who is a genocide apologist exactly? And for that matter who exactly is a heartless moron?

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 22:21

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:15

This. So many apologists for raping scumbag terrorists.

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I don't see that, there's plenty of genocide apologists though. Has history taught us nothing??

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/we-are-witnessing-the-final-stage-of-genocide-in-gaza

Have a good read

Dulra · 06/11/2024 22:19

OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:15

This. So many apologists for raping scumbag terrorists.

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Where are these apologists????

Dulra · 06/11/2024 22:18

FfsBrian · 06/11/2024 22:14

Its mind blowing when the ONLY people that don’t have to take responsibility is the very people that raped, murdered and took hostages, fire daily rockets & and have said on live TV they will do it again - is Hamas

Hamas devil dogs that need putting down

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FFS stop misinterpreting things. Of course Hamas are responsible for what THEY have done. But as someone else pointed out they are a terrorist organision not funded or supported in any way by any other democratic nation.

Yes Hamas needs to be stopped, no one is suggesting they don't BUT Israel has no right to kill innocent civilians indiscriminately to do it. Over 16,000 children have been killed.

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 22:18

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OctoberOctopus · 06/11/2024 22:15

FfsBrian · 06/11/2024 22:14

Its mind blowing when the ONLY people that don’t have to take responsibility is the very people that raped, murdered and took hostages, fire daily rockets & and have said on live TV they will do it again - is Hamas

Hamas devil dogs that need putting down

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This. So many apologists for raping scumbag terrorists.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 22:14

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FfsBrian · 06/11/2024 22:14

Dulra · 06/11/2024 22:00

The fault of everything that follows lies at the feet of Hamas and their sponsors.

No it doesn't. The Israeli government and the IDF are responsible for their actions including genocide.
The Israelis celebrating and participating in boat tours to see the destruction in Gaza are responsible for their actions.

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Its mind blowing when the ONLY people that don’t have to take responsibility is the very people that raped, murdered and took hostages, fire daily rockets & and have said on live TV they will do it again - is Hamas

Hamas devil dogs that need putting down

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 22:09

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 21:55

Make a deal
If they did many hostages would have been saved, but Netanyahu doesn't give a shit about them.

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What do you think the purpose of the 7October attacks was? Why do you think Hamas would make a deal? What consequences do you think Hamas should face for the rape, murder and torture and destruction of lives of thousands of people in Israel? What do you think Hamas would demand in any deal?

Dulra · 06/11/2024 22:00

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:54

What are you on about. Plenty of people in Gaza were celebrating the mass murder of innocent people in Israel. The fault of everything that follows lies at the feet of Hamas and their sponsors.

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The fault of everything that follows lies at the feet of Hamas and their sponsors.

No it doesn't. The Israeli government and the IDF are responsible for their actions including genocide.
The Israelis celebrating and participating in boat tours to see the destruction in Gaza are responsible for their actions.

Kakeandkake · 06/11/2024 21:55

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:52

So how would you have responded to it?

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Make a deal
If they did many hostages would have been saved, but Netanyahu doesn't give a shit about them.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:54

Dulra · 06/11/2024 21:44

Really? You were there timing the celebrations?

Plenty Israelis celebrating the death and destruction in Gaza too. Even chartering boat tours and viewing points. None of it is pleasant hate on both sides.

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What are you on about. Plenty of people in Gaza were celebrating the mass murder of innocent people in Israel. The fault of everything that follows lies at the feet of Hamas and their sponsors.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:52

Doford · 06/11/2024 21:47

I wouldn’t want everyone in France murdered by being bombed or starved to death, and I’m absolutely sure of that!

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So how would you have responded to it?

Doford · 06/11/2024 21:47

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:44

israel had a group - most likely enabled by other ME states who, as you indicate, for all intents and purposes control Gaza, come into their country, brutally hunt down rape
and murder many civilians, both Israelis other nationalities. What do you think Israel, who have seen their people subject to genocides and exile repeatedly over thousands of years do? How would you have liked them to respond? Shrug their shoulders. If a group came over from France, people who ran the country and murdered say 1500 people at the Glastonbury festival then the French celebrated and hid the perpetrators what would you like to have for?

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I wouldn’t want everyone in France murdered by being bombed or starved to death, and I’m absolutely sure of that!

Dulra · 06/11/2024 21:44

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:36

They seemed to have plenty of time to celebrate

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Really? You were there timing the celebrations?

Plenty Israelis celebrating the death and destruction in Gaza too. Even chartering boat tours and viewing points. None of it is pleasant hate on both sides.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:44

Dulra · 06/11/2024 21:34

I don't know how many people support Hamas, I don't think it is as simplistic as that. They have not had a functioning democracy for 2 decades I don't think you have much choice but to support the terrorists controlling your state. I am not sure why you would think people in Gaza would work with and trust Israel? And I am unsure why you think any of this justifies killing them.

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israel had a group - most likely enabled by other ME states who, as you indicate, for all intents and purposes control Gaza, come into their country, brutally hunt down rape
and murder many civilians, both Israelis other nationalities. What do you think Israel, who have seen their people subject to genocides and exile repeatedly over thousands of years do? How would you have liked them to respond? Shrug their shoulders. If a group came over from France, people who ran the country and murdered say 1500 people at the Glastonbury festival then the French celebrated and hid the perpetrators what would you like to have for?

GhostCicada · 06/11/2024 21:37

Fairy0708 · 06/11/2024 21:30

Hamas set fire to an apartment, the parents had to make the heart breaking decision to leave the baby on a window seal with the window open,risking it falling to its death over being suffocated. Fact check yourself!

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I'm not sure what you are talking about. Where was the oven, on a window 'seal'? Or are you saying Hamas took a baby off a window sill and put it in an oven?

I am correct about the number of babies that tragically died on Oct 7. I am correct that there were no ovens involved. Your story about windows doesn't change that.

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:36

Doford · 06/11/2024 21:32

To be fair, ordinary Palestinians didn’t have much time to condemn anything, as they were concentrating on trying to stay alive and keep their children alive.

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They seemed to have plenty of time to celebrate

Dulra · 06/11/2024 21:34

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 21:26

So do you think the people of Gaza don’t support Hamas and have been making a concerted effort to getting rid of them? Do you think the people of Gaza universally condemned Hamas and didn’t celebrate the actions on 7October? Did they offer to work with Israel to bring these terrorists to justice?

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I don't know how many people support Hamas, I don't think it is as simplistic as that. They have not had a functioning democracy for 2 decades I don't think you have much choice but to support the terrorists controlling your state. I am not sure why you would think people in Gaza would work with and trust Israel? And I am unsure why you think any of this justifies killing them.