Hamas don’t want peace

How would you suggest the Palestinians "get rid of Hamas"? How should the Palestinians "solve the problem"?

(The problem they didn't start and didn't ask for).

What a very predictable response on your part, straight out a text book on how to deflect and gaslight.
I would like to add what I find offensive or not isn't up to you to decide. This is also a way of denying others ' feeling. If someone accused me of being offensive, I would apologise, It's called having integrity.
You also accuse me of twisting and misrepresenting your post whilst you are actually doing this to mine, especially when you wrote " You basically don’t want Israel to defend itself". Please, quote back at me where I actually said this. I will wait.
You also asked me question but when I answered it, you used sarcasm. Why? Couldn't you counter argue it instead?
In all, I am wasting my time here. But before I go, please listen to Gabor Mate for an example on how to counter argue effectively.

You haven’t said why a perfectly valid comparison is “highly offensive” on any level. Because it is not, you will note, if you stopped trying to misrepresent/totally ignore what I said is that individual citizens are not to blame ever in a war, but sometimes a war is justified. Stop stop with your twisting and misrepresentation- mind you that is the basis for your entire “argument “. You basically don’t want Israel to defend itself. Your arguments are non- existent.

ah I see you’re now a specialist on military tactics, maybe we could have by-passed I’m sure Israel have used their intelligence and found Hamas hidden behind human shields. Hamas need defeating - I’m sure Israel has weighed up options.

Your post is highly offensive on so many levels.
Do you think that the 12 millions who died at the hands of the Nazi regime, the 20 millions at the hand of Staline, the nearly 4 millions in Bengal at the hand of Churchill should bear responsibility for that?

Absolutely beyond belief!
To answer your question, the Israeli government could have and should have used their intelligence service to track down the terrorists and eliminated them.
By the way, the Israeli government ignored the warnings of an imminent attack and it took 6 hours for the IDF to respond. 6 hours!!!!! Let's not forget that The Hannibal directive was also deployed on that horrendous day.
Does Netanyahu bear some responsibility for that?
What Hamas did was evil but I cannot help thinking how many would have been saved if only the warnings have heeded and the IDF's response so much faster.
Don't you?

Um I think you will find that the ICJ doesn't agree with you there, it's about what the courts have decided not how either side describes it. There is nothing 'subjective' about apartheid and occupation it is happening. So you think that the majority of Israelis support apartheid and occupation so it's OK to keep voting in a government that enforces it. So long as the oppressive government is a democracy everything is fine. Interesting viewpoint for sure.

Actually I do think citizens with oppressive leaders have a responsibility to get rid of them or change the running of their country where the impact of that seeps out into other countries being attacked.
Fair enough if that is what you think, I don't share your opinion because I live in the real world. You seem to be missing the how part but that's probably not important. Have you examples of it happening (without external support) in the past that could maybe demonstrate how it could happen. Do you think they may have had a better chance if Israel hadn't armed Hamas in the past? Do you think they'd have a better chance if they weren't under occupation and had access to the materials needed to stage such a coup? Do you think they'd have a better chance if western democratic nations could have supported them with arms and intelligence to overthrow Hamas?

Do any citizens deserve what happens in a war? But sometimes ears are just and necessary. Do you think any individual who died in the bombing of Dresden deserved it, but presumably you think the allies stopping Hitler was just?

Actually no. As you say they live in a democracy. They can chose their leaders at the ballot box. What you describe is fairly subjective and not both sides would describe it the way you have. Presumably, due to democracy the majority of Israelis support the Government.

Do you think the majority of people in Gaza support the actions of Hamas on October 7.

Sort it how exactly? And please answer as to whether you think the Palestinian citizens deserve what is being done to them right now?

You appear to have forgotten that Netanyahu funded Hamas for years. I guess it is convenient oversight.

I am French and I am the daughter of parents who grew up under German occupation and whose great uncle was sent to a forced labour camp in Germany.
What is happening in Gaza, in the words of my 95 years old aunt, is as bad.
400 000 French died between 1939 and 1945. That's roughly 66 000 a year.
I believe the number of deaths in Gaza is probably higher.
I find it revolting that some believe that it was a tragedy for France but totally acceptable for Gaza.

Do you think Israelis have/had a responsibility to get rid of their leaders? They live in democracy so it should be pretty easy but instead they've chosen a government that protects violent settlers, that enforces the stealing of land, that enforces apartheid on people in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, that chooses to occupy other people's land, all of which causes huge security issues for Israel and there is the obvious horror that living under apartheid, occupation and blockade brings to the lives of Palestinians.

Actually I do think citizens with oppressive leaders have a responsibility to get rid of them or change the running of their country where the impact of that seeps out into other countries being attacked.

So how would you have responded to the October 7 attacks?

Babies and children do support Hamas, obviously. I am pretty sure they are really trying to get rid of Hamas too, in between avoiding being murdered by being bombed, starved and any other means deployed by the ever so caring Israeli government.
I find your understanding of living under a repressive and murderous regime is lacking too.
Would you apply your logic to the French citizens who did not try to get rid of the German occupiers? Or to the North Koreans? Or to the Afghans?

In one hand you have the only democracy in the ME with the most "moral" army in the world; on the other hand you have a terrorist organisation with not the most moral army in the world ( I stretch the term army here, btw).
I think it is fair to expect Israel to have higher standards.

I’m saying what is happening now is a result of the internal affairs of Palestine. I’m asking why no one has got rid of Hamas in Palestine if they don’t reflect the views of the people there.

Hmmmm.... so you are insinuating that the ordinary palestinian citizens deserve what is happening to them because they didn't overthrow hamas?

So, they’ve had 17 years to sort out the problem themselves?

Bit tricky when someone is bombing the living daylights out of you day in day out!

I believe the last elections were about 17 years ago, many of those currently being killed werent even born.

Well, there have been many instances where a people have overthrown a dictator or military governments. They had years to try something similar. Why didn’t they?

Do you have any suggestions on how they can currently do that?

So maybe the Palestinians should get rid of Hamas. The people should distance themselves from the agenda of Hamas. The Palestinians should solve the problem

So no evidence of Hamas apologists just blind accusations to derail

Your supposition that if Palestinians don't side with Israel then they must all pro Hamas, the same as Hamas, deserve to die as Hamas, is patently ridiculous and juvenile.

Neither Israel nor Hamas act for the benefit of the Palestinians.

Just read your post up thread. At least this response is calmer. It just makes people switch off and move to other topics. It helps no one at all.