Hamas don’t want peace

@Feelingathomenow the best thing to do to help Anti Semitism is to distinguish it from Anti Zionism, however people like yourself thrive on them being so closely connected. You want them to both be used in easy exchange so that you can say OHHH ANTI SEMITE HERE if I speak against the Israeli oppression of Palestinians.

You are talking about Jewish history etc because you are equating Israel to ALL Jews.. Why.... to fit YOUR narrative that Anti Zionism is Anti Jewish... NO! Stop demonising all Jews!!!

But it’s not what I am saying though is it? Interesting you use the pronoun “they”!

Well if someone came into the UK and did what Hamas did to Israel I would want our government to protect our space by all means necessary too. It’s not “gross”. You don’t think Israel has a right to exist. What do you think will happen to the people there. Will their freedoms be protected?

No, and once again you are twisting. You specifically asked why I hadn’t discussed the history of a particular point in time of a particular people. I said that it could only be seen in the context of a much longer period of time.

I find it interesting that you seem to deploy a technique of appearing you’re quoting something I’ve said and then actually writing something different. Is this a deliberate ploy or are you so narrow minded as to actually read that when my post says something completely different.

Of course I’m worried about other peoples. I’m worried about women and girls in Afghanistan and all places where women are suffering through being treated as Devond class citizens . I was very vocal when the World Cup went to Qatar due to the treatment of women (look at the official who was raped) I’m very vocal about any community that puts down women’s rights. I’m vocal about the Left who want to erase womens rights in preference to men’s in the West and I’m very active in that space.

Ooh why do you think Israel are protective about their space?

It's what Israel are doing in everyone else's space that people have a problem with. Excusing apartheid and occupation with 'ooh it's just Israel being protective of their space.' is gross.

So, do you think that these things only warrant condemnation or criticism if they happen to particular groups?

That is exactly what they are saying, some lives matter more than others

Oh I’ve stood up to islamaphobia when my friends have been attacked. But what have you done specifically to protect Jewish people suffering from the explosion of anti semitism fuelled by anti Zionism? You have answered about all your “work” yet not mentioned Jewish people once.

You list doesn’t really at who you are supporting.

So, do you think that these things only warrant condemnation or criticism if they happen to particular groups?

Why are these things not awful, regardless of the ethnicity or faith of the victims or the perpetrators?

Me, personally?

Well, I've done and continue to do inter-faith work, including having worked with and supported local people from minority groups other than my own. There's been a lot of different things involved in that.

In caring about human rights, I have been to many places around the world to provide life-saving and life-changing care to people in desperate need, including in conflict and disaster zones. I currently can't physically go, but technological advancements mean I can still provide remote assistance and supervision.

I remain actively involved with and supportive of human rights charities and NGOs working on a number of issues, including international aid and women's rights around the world.

You asked what I've done, so what have you done - in particular, what have you done to protect Muslims, Palestinians or Lebanese people?

Maybe you should stop referencing the events in Amsterdam unless you're also going to address the islamophobic and antiarab racism displayed by the football hooligans. It's also true that the dehumanisation of Arab people and unchecked islamophobia over the last year has emboldened Israeli football hooligans and legitimised damaging people's private property and attacking Moroccan taxi drivers for exampl. There is hatred and prejudice everywhere. That doesn't mean you can smear posters who are anti genocide as "stirring up antisemitism" unless you're going to also smear people such as yourself as stirring up Islamophobia and anti-arab racism.

@Feelingathomenow The difference between anti Zionism and semitism isn’t ’irrelevant’ here, it’s actually the opposite it’s VERY relevant.. people like yourself who want the two to be intertwined and closely connected are causing Jews to feel unsafe. If we are critical of Israel, is this anti semitic or anti Zionist?

You’re talking about Jewish history (again connecting Jews with Zionism) like it’s an excuse for Zionists to persecute Palestinians? You’re talking about the war between Israel and Hamas are you not.. why are you brining up WW2 like this gives Israel the right to use the suffering of the Jews to cause the same suffering to Palestinians… the last 70 years of oppression would undoubtedly create groups like Hamas.

What pro Palestinian propaganda? Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?
People shouldn't speak out against Israeli atrocities and ethnic cleansing because anti semites exist?
What have you done @Feelingathomenow to protest against the murder of thousands of Palestinian children by Israel?

Yes the millennia of Jewish people suffering this is abhorrent - it’s bound to have an effect.

Yes seriously. Deny it or not. Up to you.

I have not accused you specifically of inciting anything. I’ve stated that pro Palestinian propaganda and anti Zionism has emboldened and legitimised anti semitism eg Amsterdam last night. Up to you if you want to identify with either of those positions

Ok.. talk us through this.

A population has experienced brutal violence and terror at the hands of (mostly) men who seek to kill them. There is evidence of extreme violence, including recorded footage and eyewitness accounts this.

Now, my perspective is that this sort of thing should always be condemned. That these actions are abhorrent whether committed against people of any colour skin, any nationality, any faith, any demographic group.

But it comes across as though you're saying you don't think that should be the case? Why not?

Ah, you see that rhetoric sounds very laudable. So what are you doing to prevent antisemitism? Have you offered to help out with security at your local Jewish school? They are feeling even less safe now anti semites have been emboldened by the pro Palestinian propaganda. What are you doing to help them? What are you doing about the abuse of women’s rights in many Islamic countries? Where else are you standing up so passionately for human rights, what are you actively doing to protect the Jewish community?

I don't need to consider why I find being accused of inciting hooligan behaviour in Amsterdam as offensive, go give your head a wobble and stop equating the behaviour of the Israeli government and IDF with antisemitism.

are you irrationally offended by what I’m saying or is it because it’s ringing true and you find that fact unsettling at an unconscious level?
Seriously 🙄

Yeah this.
And then people ask who the genocide apologists are

Well, I consider standing up for human rights and objecting to the murders and abuse of innocent people to be important, regardless of what nationality/culture/faith is being attacked.

So, feel free to judge. It says more about you than about me.

It’s up to you whether you find something offensive where no offence was intended. You might want to consider why you find it offensive - are you irrationally offended by what I’m saying or is it because it’s ringing true and you find that fact unsettling at an unconscious level?

I am not demonising anyone. I am commenting on what is happening, I will not ignore or turn the other way. I am not responsible for thugs behaviour and I find it extremely offensive that you would suggest people on here are.

If you want to dress up anti semitism as winning the war against tyranny that’s up to you, I will judge accordingly

If you want to dress up genocide as winning the war against tyranny that’s up to you, I will judge accordingly

It’s up to you if you want to tell people to ignore me, you, no doubt, would love everyone to ignore anyone with different opinions to yours, it’s rather pathetic.

Nice of you to try and state what I can and cannot understand, but unsurprisingly you’re mistaken. There is an intellectual difference between anti Zionism and anti semitism, but this becomes irrelevant when you look at the intertwining of the two things in the popular mind. Last night in Amsterdam being a prime example. This is why the vast vast majority of Jews feel significantly less safe now. By denying this takes place you are making Jews less safe. Why are you happy to make Jews feel less safe.

Im not skipping any part of history. I know that you would rather talk about the last 60 years, but you cannot even begin to discuss that without understanding the history of millenia? Why do you want to ignore 99.9% of Jewish history and the history of that area in favour of a blink of an eye? Does it not fit your narrative?

@Dulra @Scirocco I would ignore @Feelingathomenow simply because they can't differentiate between anti semitism and anti Zionism, which is insulting to the many Jewish people who have been critical of Israel.

@Feelingathomenow you love talking about history and WW2 so why not speak about what Israel has been doing to Palestinians since 1948?! Just conveniently want to skip that part huh

If you want to dress up anti semitism as winning the war against tyranny that’s up to you, I will judge accordingly