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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas don’t want peace

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 06/11/2024 10:19

A two day ceasefire was offered to them in return for four hostages but they declined. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said Hamas “once again refused to release even a limited number of hostages to secure a ceasefire and relief for the people of Gaza”.
Isreal has now offered a million dollars for each hostage and safe passage out of Gaza for their captors. Hamas have yet to respond.

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Dulra · 08/11/2024 14:22

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 14:18

Maybe they're like me and get fed up with the same old names (or same old posting styles) saying the same old shit on every thread.

Troll hunting is against MN rules but those that try to do it in a roundabout way are just cringeworthy

Maybe they're like me and get fed up with the same old names
Not everyone name changes every time they post hence "the same old names" appearing

Usernamesareboring1 · 08/11/2024 14:20

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 14:18

Maybe they're like me and get fed up with the same old names (or same old posting styles) saying the same old shit on every thread.

Troll hunting is against MN rules but those that try to do it in a roundabout way are just cringeworthy

You sound like you're taking PPs comment very personally

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 14:18

mumstheword223 · 08/11/2024 14:01

@herecomesautumn

@JaneJeffer is right. A majority of the posters since yesterday have had a similar stance on the issue with the exception of @Feelingathomenow

A couple of days ago there were many more posters making a similar argument to @Feelingathomenow. Haven't seen them post until @JaneJeffer just said something now. Wasn't really that hard to understand

Maybe they're like me and get fed up with the same old names (or same old posting styles) saying the same old shit on every thread.

Troll hunting is against MN rules but those that try to do it in a roundabout way are just cringeworthy

mumstheword223 · 08/11/2024 14:01

@herecomesautumn

@JaneJeffer is right. A majority of the posters since yesterday have had a similar stance on the issue with the exception of @Feelingathomenow

A couple of days ago there were many more posters making a similar argument to @Feelingathomenow. Haven't seen them post until @JaneJeffer just said something now. Wasn't really that hard to understand

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:47

Never mind

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 13:45

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:40

I'll give you a clue@herecomesautumn - look out for similar posting styles if you see what I mean

Still don't know what you mean

Most people in this echo chamber have similar posting styles.

Have the courage to say what you mean

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:40

I'll give you a clue@herecomesautumn - look out for similar posting styles if you see what I mean

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 13:37

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:24

Any elaboration would just get deleted so you'll have to figure it out for yourselves fellas

So you've just made it up

Got you

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:24

Any elaboration would just get deleted so you'll have to figure it out for yourselves fellas

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 13:18

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:07

Just remarking on a coincidence is all @herecomesautumn 😙

Like who?

OctoberOctopus · 08/11/2024 13:10

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:07

Just remarking on a coincidence is all @herecomesautumn 😙

So which posters are all arriving and leaving at the same time 😂 we aren't buses you know

OctoberOctopus · 08/11/2024 13:08

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Odd comment.
Are posters not allowed to disagree with the Palestine good and Israel bad narrative? I do realise quite a number of these threads are echo chambers of mainly the same people but others are allowed to comment.

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 13:07

Just remarking on a coincidence is all @herecomesautumn 😙

herecomesautumn · 08/11/2024 12:26

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What do you mean?

JaneJeffer · 08/11/2024 11:36

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mumstheword223 · 08/11/2024 11:34

@Feelingathomenow just because it's popularly intertwined that doesn't make it factually correct and give you the right to call people anti semitic because they are criticising Israel and the Zionist regime. Call it was it actually is: Anti Zionist

GhostCicada · 08/11/2024 11:19

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 11:13

Have you thought their actions might be necessary for its existence because so many people in the Middle East don’t want them to exist and will do anything to stop them existing - right I need to love you all and leave you as I need to get to work- laters

Have I thought that apartheid is necessary? Are you really asking that? That's fucked up, no wonder you are off on your way.

Scirocco · 08/11/2024 11:14

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:25

No, and once again you are twisting. You specifically asked why I hadn’t discussed the history of a particular point in time of a particular people. I said that it could only be seen in the context of a much longer period of time.

I find it interesting that you seem to deploy a technique of appearing you’re quoting something I’ve said and then actually writing something different. Is this a deliberate ploy or are you so narrow minded as to actually read that when my post says something completely different.

Of course I’m worried about other peoples. I’m worried about women and girls in Afghanistan and all places where women are suffering through being treated as Devond class citizens . I was very vocal when the World Cup went to Qatar due to the treatment of women (look at the official who was raped) I’m very vocal about any community that puts down women’s rights. I’m vocal about the Left who want to erase womens rights in preference to men’s in the West and I’m very active in that space.

What I had said was:

'A population has experienced brutal violence and terror at the hands of (mostly) men who seek to kill them. There is evidence of extreme violence, including recorded footage and eyewitness accounts this.'

I then stated that I consider these things to be abhorrent. But it came across in your response as though you considered the extent to which things might or might not be abhorrent to be dependent upon the group to which they were being done, and that you considered it offensive or inciting hatred to criticise some groups for carrying out such actions.

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 11:13

GhostCicada · 08/11/2024 11:04

Well, I'm not 'happy' with Israels actions no. I've never said that they 'don't have a right to exist' like you accused me of, it has never occurred to me that it's existence is something that I have a say over. I have no problem with Israel existing, I have huge problems with their actions though.

Nice way to try and side step your defence of apartheid though.

Have you thought their actions might be necessary for its existence because so many people in the Middle East don’t want them to exist and will do anything to stop them existing - right I need to love you all and leave you as I need to get to work- laters

GhostCicada · 08/11/2024 11:04

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:58

So you’re happy with Israel and recognise it as a state and condem any action or movements which threaten its existence

Well, I'm not 'happy' with Israels actions no. I've never said that they 'don't have a right to exist' like you accused me of, it has never occurred to me that it's existence is something that I have a say over. I have no problem with Israel existing, I have huge problems with their actions though.

Nice way to try and side step your defence of apartheid though.

Scirocco · 08/11/2024 11:03

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:18

Oh I’ve stood up to islamaphobia when my friends have been attacked. But what have you done specifically to protect Jewish people suffering from the explosion of anti semitism fuelled by anti Zionism? You have answered about all your “work” yet not mentioned Jewish people once.

You list doesn’t really at who you are supporting.

Well, specifics can be outing. Some pretty anonymised examples:

I'm part of the reason people in my workplace don't display any political logos/flags/protest symbols because I didn't want Jewish people or other people concerned for loved ones in Israel to feel intimidated or unsafe or upset.

I'm part of the reason our local work to call for a ceasefire, aid and support for victims of the violence in the Middle East includes active recognition of the hostages still trapped in Gaza and their families, as well as the victims of October 7th.

I helped get antisemitic thugs arrested and made it clear they were unwelcome when they tried to attend local events.

I walked with my Jewish neighbour and friends when they were afraid for their safety.

I've understood (as best I can) and supported Jewish and Israeli friends through this terrible time, how they needed me to support them.

I previously mentioned providing remote/virtual work-related support. That has included support for people working with people affected by the October 7th attacks.

Some of the charities and projects I've supported have also worked with survivors and bereaved relatives of the October 7th attacks.

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:58

GhostCicada · 08/11/2024 10:42

What are you on about? Why are you telling me I don't think Israel has a right exist because I don't agree with illegal occupation and apartheid . Are you under the impression that their illegal occupation and apartheid started after Oct 7? Their occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem predates Hamas. 'Because Hamas, doesn't work for that I'm afraid, you are going to pull out another tired phrase to defend that one.

So you’re happy with Israel and recognise it as a state and condem any action or movements which threaten its existence

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:56

mumstheword223 · 08/11/2024 10:08

@Feelingathomenow The difference between anti Zionism and semitism isn’t ’irrelevant’ here, it’s actually the opposite it’s VERY relevant.. people like yourself who want the two to be intertwined and closely connected are causing Jews to feel unsafe. If we are critical of Israel, is this anti semitic or anti Zionist?

You’re talking about Jewish history (again connecting Jews with Zionism) like it’s an excuse for Zionists to persecute Palestinians? You’re talking about the war between Israel and Hamas are you not.. why are you brining up WW2 like this gives Israel the right to use the suffering of the Jews to cause the same suffering to Palestinians… the last 70 years of oppression would undoubtedly create groups like Hamas.

No, I’m saying the two things are already intertwined in the popular mind )and this is why many definitions of anti semitism include anti Zionism. Whilst technically they are two different things, in practice they often aren’t. No matter how much you cling to the concept they are separate real world experiences show they are anything but.

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:53

Kakeandkake · 08/11/2024 09:51

Yeah this.
And then people ask who the genocide apologists are

I’m not the person stirring up, intentionally or unintentionally anti semitism

GhostCicada · 08/11/2024 10:42

Feelingathomenow · 08/11/2024 10:27

Well if someone came into the UK and did what Hamas did to Israel I would want our government to protect our space by all means necessary too. It’s not “gross”. You don’t think Israel has a right to exist. What do you think will happen to the people there. Will their freedoms be protected?

What are you on about? Why are you telling me I don't think Israel has a right exist because I don't agree with illegal occupation and apartheid . Are you under the impression that their illegal occupation and apartheid started after Oct 7? Their occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem predates Hamas. 'Because Hamas, doesn't work for that I'm afraid, you are going to pull out another tired phrase to defend that one.

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