How many more will Israel kill?

Am sure they continue to bomb any place they have identified as a Hamas rat hole. I hate the bombing too, but it seems to be the only language terrorists speak; they certainly don't compromise - kidnappers rarely do.

They all kill those who could tell the truth, because the truth sets people free.
The irony

I do agree with some of this .
I find that some of the rhetoric used in this debate is very simplistic and ignores the wider issues. I have seen that on the pro Palestinian marches .
However, I can’t see any good reason for continuing the bombing of innocent Palestinians who have no influence over Hamas and the release of the hostages

Wish we saw more "Free Palestinians from Hamas". It is one sided on these threads. And to compare Hamas with Israel is just pathetic; there is no comparison. Terrorists are doing a great job with the propaganda attacks; Tokyo Rose would be proud. Hitler wrote this in his Mein Kamph: "Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

The psychological "form" Hitler refers to, would be, in this case: pandering to
pity/empathy (a feeling) for the Palestinian people. No human anywhere does not feel for the Palestinians, who are ruled by Hamas and terrorists. Germany was in the grips of a mass murderer and crazy man and most of the German people didn't see that, either. Hitler made all Germans think the Brits, the US were the bad guys. What a master teacher of propaganda true evil can be. Hence Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran. They all kill those who could tell the truth, because the truth sets people free.

Wish we saw more "Free Palestinians from Hamas". It is one sided on these threads. And to compare Hamas with Israel is just pathetic; there is no comparison. Terrorists are doing a great job with the propaganda attacks; Tokyo Rose would be proud. Hitler wrote this in his Mein Kamph: "Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

The psychological "form" Hitler refers to, would be, in this case: pandering to
pity/empathy (a feeling) for the Palestinian people. No human anywhere does not feel for the Palestinians, who are ruled by Hamas and terrorists. Germany was in the grips of a mass murderer and crazy man and most of the German people didn't see that, either. Hitler made all Germans think the Brits, the US were the bad guys. What a master teacher of propaganda true evil can be. Hence Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran. They all kill those who could tell the truth, because the truth sets people free.

Wish we saw more "Free Palestinians from Hamas". It is one sided on these threads. And to compare Hamas with Israel is just pathetic; there is no comparison. Terrorists are doing a great job with the propaganda attacks; Tokyo Rose would be proud. Hitler wrote this in his Mein Kamph: "Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

The psychological "form" Hitler refers to, would be, in this case: pandering to
pity/empathy (a feeling) for the Palestinian people. No human anywhere does not feel for the Palestinians, who are ruled by Hamas and terrorists. Germany was in the grips of a mass murderer and crazy man and most of the German people didn't see that, either. Hitler made all Germans think the Brits, the US were the bad guys. What a master teacher of propaganda true evil can be. Hence Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran. They all kill those who could tell the truth, because the truth sets people free.

Wish we saw more "Free Palestinians from Hamas". It is one sided on these threads. And to compare Hamas with Israel is just pathetic; there is no comparison. Terrorists are doing a great job with the propaganda attacks; Tokyo Rose would be proud. Hitler wrote this in his Mein Kamph: "Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses."

The psychological "form" Hitler refers to, would be, in this case: pandering to
pity/empathy (a feeling) for the Palestinian people. No human anywhere does not feel for the Palestinians, who are ruled by Hamas and terrorists. Germany was in the grips of a mass murderer and crazy man and most of the German people didn't see that, either. Hitler made all Germans think the Brits, the US were the bad guys. What a master teacher of propaganda true evil can be. Hence Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran. They all kill those who could tell the truth, because the truth sets people free.

Worse for who?

I was commenting on you saying that you don't believe that the Israeli government meant it when they said they were going to eliminate everything and create a Nakba 2023, even though their words and actions have aligned.

I presume that is what you meant when you said I don’t believe everything government ministers say in response to my question Given the mass destruction Gaza and the mass displacement of Palestinians do you believe what they said at the start of the conflict now?

I’m not at all sure what you mean by this .

@GhostCicada at the start of this conflict? By which you mean the October 7 slaughter?

all Jews left Gaza in 2003 - it could be flourishing now.

why are not livid at Hamas?

Aggressive? I think you are projecting there.

Thanks for answering. It's interesting that even when a governments words and actions align people still choose to believe their own narrative.

I was responding to a different poster.
But in answer to your ( rather aggressive) question- in the aftermath of October 7th a lot of emotive rhetoric was being said … on both sides.
And no - I don’t believe everything government ministers say.

@GhostCicada at the start of this conflict? By which you mean the October 7 slaughter?

all Jews left Gaza in 2003 - it could be flourishing now.

why are not livid at Hamas?

That's interesting. At the start of this conflict Israeli government ministers were calling this 'Nakba 2023' and the defence minister openly said that they were going to 'obliterate everything'. Was there a reason that you didn't believe what Israel were saying and instead chose to believe that all they wanted was to get the hostages back and defeat Hamas? Given the mass destruction Gaza and the mass displacement of Palestinians do you believe what they said at the start of the conflict now?

At the start of this conflict I used to think exactly this - just return the hostages..
I also understood that even with the hostages returned Israel would want to ensure October 7th wouldn’t happen again by defeating Hamas.

I think it’s now very very clear that Hamas do not represent Palestinians’ interests nor do they care about Palestinians and therefore the continual assault on Palestinian civilians is irrelevant to them - except in the sense that it presents Israel in a terrible light in international opinion which obviously works well for Hamas ( and Iran) because they view Palestinians as “collateral damage “

Therefore I cannot see how continuing to bomb Palestinians ( apart from being a moral outrage) is helpful to Israel’s security .
The people holding the hostages do not care about the suffering of Gazans And Israeli bombing is just used by them to turn world opinion against Israel.

@TakeMe2Insanity

"bellinisurge
It's horrendous. Give the hostages back. It ends.

Ridiculous mantra. Netanyahu doesnt give a damn about the hostages."

Maybe he doesn't or maybe he does.

I guess there is only one way to find out and that is by releasing the hostages, especially given that they are of no value to Hamas, releasing them gives Hamas more credibility than keeping them and it also takes away yet another reason for Israel to justify its presence in Gaza.

@TakeMe2Insanity

"bellinisurge
It's horrendous. Give the hostages back. It ends.

Ridiculous mantra. Netanyahu doesnt give a damn about the hostages."

Maybe he doesn't or maybe he does.

I guess there is only one way to find out and that is by releasing the hostages, especially given that they are of no value to Hamas, releasing them gives Hamas more credibility than keeping them and it also takes away yet another reason for Israel to justify its presence in Gaza.

@Limesodaagain true, but that's deflecting from the much more disturbing similarities.

I was pretty careful to state 1930s Europe just because of the international and imperial aspect. There may not exact analogies but all the fundamentals are there. Both 1930s European politics and current ME troubles are rooted in the conflicts, empires and imperial attitudes of the past.