How many more will Israel kill?

@Sheri99

The other poster explained it better than me. Nobody here has claimed they are freedom fighters.

What are you saying anyway? How is anything about Hamas justification for what the Israeli administration is doing now?

Do you think every man, woman and child in Palestine should suffer because they are all linked to Hamas? Or do you think the death of innocents is "worth it" because it could save Israeli lives?

Just listening to news report now on radio and interview with UNICEF, it is still completely under siege and 50 children killed in last couple of days barbaric.

It's rich, isn't it, for Israel supporters to tell us how awful Hamas are for Palestinians. They may be, but Israels are lethal for them.

What does no favours to the Palestinian people is to disregard the fact that they have been living under occupation and brutalisation for decades.

And I agree with the summation above from @GhostCicada For over a year here some people have been ignoring those facts.

Hamas are terrorists but there are a lot of differences between Hamas and ISIS. They are not the same. For a start ISIS seeks a global caliphate whereas Hamas is a nationalist organisation that seeks a Palestinian state that would be recognised like any other. It's objectives are local vs the global ambitions of ISIS.

Hamas are a savage group no doubt but there are big theological and ideological differences between them and ISIS. You can’t just say, ‘ISIS slaughtered people and so did Hamas, so they’re the same.’ That’s very superficial. Recognising the differences isn't 'pretending that they are freedom fighters', they can both be bad and also be different.

@mollyfolk Hamas are like isis. They are radical
islamist terrorists.

it does no favour to the Palestinian people to pretend they are heroic freedom fighters.

go watch the videos from October 7

this is my point - pretending that Hamas aren’t horrific genocidal maniacs helps no one.

Absolutely.

@Sheri99

Did you seriously just compare the bombing, killing and destruction to telling your kid they can't watch telly or something?

The deaths on the Israeli side and the displacement of Israeli people affect much less numbers of people. That's why we are seeing more from Palestine. The israeli administration have better arms and are able to cause maximum destruction upon a population that are largely unarmed and have no defences.

Your deep into the propaganda yourself conflating Hamas with isis and the 9/11 attacks (I think that's what your saying). Acting like Israel is doing some service to the world. They definitely aren't. They are destabilising the whole region. I believe that this will not only go down in history as a genocide against the Palestinian people but the catalyst for further conflict and terrorism.

It's estimated that 1.2 million people are displaced in Lebanon. Also entire villages are being demolished in South Lebanon by Israel. Many of these displaced people don't have homes to return to now.

https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1853395912917209507

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/many-of-these-families-have-almost-nothing-over-a-million-now-displaced-in-lebanon/95ti1uybh

Propaganda is not on sided. The Israeli government has invested a huge amount of money on their propaganda machine.
It appears to be working very well on some...
Hasbara, a long-running strategy | Jewish Voice for Labour

Well this is a choice denied to Gazans. Don't forget the Lebanese who have been displaced too. They can't go to Syria either because the IDF have bombed the road leading to it.

Only terrorists dance with glee at killing innocents
Indeed, we've all seen the IDF videos

Your post is a good example of the dangers of propaganda for sure.

Not to mention that the displaced Israelis are always mentioned in the media, at least in all the coverage I follow. The magnitude is completely different though - millions displaced with no where to go, no food, no clean water or medical supplies Vs ordered to evactuate to government subsidized hotels and apartments. One experience is inconvenient and uncomfortable and the other is a death sentence.

Tens of thousands of Israelis, over a million Palestinians. That's two orders of magnitude.

Only terrorists dance with glee at killing innocents
Someone hasn't been keeping up with the social media posts of IDF soldiers playing gleefully with the toys of dead or displaced children and dressing up in dead or displaced women's clothing. Or are we agreeing that they're also sick terrorists?

The murders, tortures and suffering of an entire population of innocent people is not something equivalent to sending a child to the naughty step. It speaks volumes about people that they compare the two and consider it valid.

As for people thinking Israeli soldiers are all torn up about what they're doing, yeah, the guys making TikToks about it, cheering and laughing, raping people, crushing people to death with armoured bulldozers, and describing arsonists as "goofy" all seem really torn up about it. As do the people cheering them on. The people in this country who are openly supporting it and feel confident to openly suggest the same should happen to Muslims here also seem really upset and regretful.

I hate having to discipline children, too, but it has to be done. Same way with bombing: one can hate it but know it must happen for terrorists to listen. If the terrorists has listened to N, taken him seriously, the bombing would not be happening. I believe the Israelis are done negotiating and one cannot blame them. Someone has to draw a line in the sand. To think that they bomb with light hearts is a sad mistake. Only terrorists dance with glee at killing innocents, and the world watches the terrorists BEHEAD Americans and kill anyone from their hated "Western infidels" and they bomb New York. Anyone not against terrorists is for them; anyone who blames a country, such as Israel, for defending their country against terrorists helps the terrorists by spouting further propaganda.

If by "Hamas rat hole" you mean "civilian populations that they have obligations under international law to not bomb into oblivion". You know, like polio vaccination centres, essential aid distribution convoys and ICRC ambulances for which they pre-approved routes and timetables, the exact areas to which they instructed civilians to evacuate, etc., etc....

I agree. Also tens of thousands of Israelis have had to leave their homes in the north... This is barely even mentioned in UK media.

Because I know how military operations function and know very well how terrorists function.

It isn't lazy, just a perspective. What I find interesting is that the propaganda seems to be more internet based, posts and reposts. Not on mainstream news outlets, traceable. What I do see is what seems to be a bias of photos of Palestinians being wounded. We never see a wounded or killed IDF photo and a crying mother of an Israeli. I am CERTAIN there are many dead IDF soldiers in this war. Reports of H & H bombing, attacking ships in the Med are ignored! Where is the empathy for the foreign nationals who aren't Israeli? Civilian ships from all over; American ships being attacked, too! Zero sympathy there, either. All the photos of kidnapped Israelis seem to be missing. Again: forgotten in the uproar of indignation by heaven forbid: Israel asking H and H to stop terrorism or they will be hunted to the ends of the earth and destroyed. These countries have been playing tit for tat for ages and to what end? This has to stop some day: it may as well be now and not later, for all other future generations to deal with! Terrorists don't negotiate, terrorists use illegal means of support (drug trafficking for one); offering themselves up for money no matter the cause, just to wreak havoc on developing countries who want peace and democratic law.

Am sure they continue to bomb any place they have identified as a Hamas rat hole.
You're sure? How are you so sure?

You don't hate the bombing if you want it to continue.