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Whatsinanamehey · 2024-10-29T15:20:02+00:00

Nearly a 100 people reportedly killed in the north of Gaza today from a strike in Beit Lahia. Many of the dead are small children with some of the footage the most shocking I have seen. Dead children still trapped under the rubble and countless more injured. How can they continue to kill like this? How can this still be justified as self defence? How can such callous disregard for human life be condoned?

ssd · 29/10/2024 21:44

The hostages families are disgusted at the lack of any actual planning to get their loved ones back, they feel completely let down by their government and who can blame them.

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 21:28

1457bloom · 29/10/2024 21:25

I am ashamed to be British given the governments support for the atrocities and war crimes.

Same, how can we support a government who stands on the side of a country committing a genocide. They need to stop their empty words and take action.

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1457bloom · 29/10/2024 21:25

I am ashamed to be British given the governments support for the atrocities and war crimes.

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 21:24

Hamas surrendered, admitted Israel's right to exist and returned the hostages?

This is so one sided it's unbelievable. There's only one side that you have expectations from in order for over 2 million Gazans to live without being bombed every single day. Your entire question is based on a premise that only one side has done wrong and only one therefore should concede. What about the Palestinians right to a state? What about all the Palestinians who are far greater in number held unjustly in Israeli prisons/torture centres? What about the Palestinians right to live free from Israeli attacks and settler violence? All which has been conveniently ignored for decades prior to Oct 7th by the same people who indignantly make demands now without acknowledgement of any of this.

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dairydebris · 29/10/2024 21:15

Scirocco · 29/10/2024 20:35

I note you're not mentioning Palestinians being alive in Gaza...

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An oversight, my apologies. I think there will still be many, many Gazan civilians left alive after this war.
I asked you a question though, and I specifically asked you as I always think your comments worth listening to... do you really think Israel would continue to bomb Gaza if

Hamas surrendered, admitted Israel's right to exist and returned the hostages?

Martymcfly24 · 29/10/2024 20:58

Daftasabroom · 29/10/2024 20:39

The history portrayed in your article is pro-Israeli lies, and you know it.

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Course they do but while we are discussing that we are not discussing the thread title which is "How many more will Israeli kill?"
A question I fear the answer to .

Daftasabroom · 29/10/2024 20:39

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 20:22

Quite a lot of straw man again from you.

It points out that the first map implies that all of Israel was once Palestinian land, but back then all that land was known as Palestine regardless of the ethnicity of the people living there. It's deliberately misleading, as anyone with a passing acquaintance with history knows.

I've no idea what part of what I said you feel was racist. But it's absolutely the usual disregarding of history and the terrible use of vocabulary I'm used to seeing on these threads.

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The history portrayed in your article is pro-Israeli lies, and you know it.

Scirocco · 29/10/2024 20:35

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 18:48

I disagree. I think it would be the end of this war. I think international and internal pressure would be such that the war would have to stop. Who would they be fighting, if Hamas surrendered and admitted Israel's right to exist? Serious question- do you believe Israel would just keep bombing until there's no civilians left? You honestly believe that? I don't.
I hope we'll see soon. This war won't continue for ever. And there will still be many, many Palestinians alive. Some in Isreal. Some in Jordan, some in the West Bank. Because it's not genocide. It's war. It's awful. I hope it ends soon.

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I note you're not mentioning Palestinians being alive in Gaza...

Gummybear23 · 29/10/2024 20:24

bellinisurge · 29/10/2024 15:31

It's horrendous. Give the hostages back. It ends.

No it won't.

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 20:22

Daftasabroom · 29/10/2024 20:04

Oh c'mon. Your "evidence" includes an ad asking for donations to promote Israeli propaganda. It questions whether there is even a Palestinian people. It questions why the Arab population of Palestine (no such thing as Palestinians remember) weren't as overjoyed as the Jews by the UN plan in 1947.

I really couldn't stomach much more of your overtly racist, Islamophobic lies after that.

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Quite a lot of straw man again from you.

It points out that the first map implies that all of Israel was once Palestinian land, but back then all that land was known as Palestine regardless of the ethnicity of the people living there. It's deliberately misleading, as anyone with a passing acquaintance with history knows.

I've no idea what part of what I said you feel was racist. But it's absolutely the usual disregarding of history and the terrible use of vocabulary I'm used to seeing on these threads.

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 20:18

NautilusLionfish · 29/10/2024 20:11

Oh if you believe that what the US puts in public means anything they I can turn your £20 into £2 million.

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Oh I don't believe it at all, but I know they only put out these statements when it's so horrific that even they can't publicly try and ignore it. They are forced to release these statements so they can try and look like they give a shit.

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NautilusLionfish · 29/10/2024 20:11

Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:49

The US's reaction to today's massacre

The US - Israel's key ally - has described the attack in the town of Beit Lahiya as a "horrifying incident with a horrifying result" and said officials have reached out to the Israeli government to find out what happened.
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller added he is aware of reports that children are among the dead.
He said officials have "made clear we want to know exactly what happened, how you could have a result that produces, according to reports, dozens of children dead, and we don't yet know the answer to that question".

Oh if you believe that what the US puts in public means anything they I can turn your £20 into £2 million.

NautilusLionfish · 29/10/2024 20:09

Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:50

I suppose the US haven't twigged yet that Israel doesn't care what they think or have to say as long as they keep sending weapons over.

You misunderstand. What US says in public about Israel's responsibility or the need to minimise casualty is just talk for the press and for PR. The reality is the US does not care one jot about people in Gaza. That is why they keep sending weapons and making impotent warnings. Then the next day they'll talk about Israel's right to defend itself which is code for do whatever you want we'll back you up. This is not defending itself. This is collect punishment. Massacres. In private they promise more weapons knowing what those weapons will be for. Biden has aided and abated war crimes. At least the orange blimp puts out just how nasty he is. Biden, Kamala and Co hide behind platitudes and veneers of decency. In truth they do give a fuck about Palestenians.

Switcher · 29/10/2024 20:08

I am simply amazed no one sees the double standard at play. I don't have to agree with what Israel is doing to believe that if the US is entitled to all the actions it has taken since 2001, then Israel is entitled to the actions it has taken since 2023. I don't agree with either course of action. But it's not genocide.

Daftasabroom · 29/10/2024 20:04

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 19:46

Oh hello Daft, I see you're back with some more misinformation...

If anyone cares to read, maps of this type debunked here-

https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why/

Mumsnet please consider deleting this post above, it's misleading. I've reported.

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Oh c'mon. Your "evidence" includes an ad asking for donations to promote Israeli propaganda. It questions whether there is even a Palestinian people. It questions why the Arab population of Palestine (no such thing as Palestinians remember) weren't as overjoyed as the Jews by the UN plan in 1947.

I really couldn't stomach much more of your overtly racist, Islamophobic lies after that.

NautilusLionfish · 29/10/2024 20:03

Auvergne63 · 29/10/2024 16:12

What has the Israeli government got to do before the Western governments stop them? How many must die before our so called leaders decide to take action? It is beyond belief what is happening before our eyes. It is horror after horror.
The difference between a Palestinian child and a British child is their place of birth.
History has taught us that when we fail to stop evil deeds, they grow bigger and bigger. We are witnessing this now. I feel so powerless in the face of such cruelty.

Western leaders do not care quite frankly. Those being massacred are not white people. To people like Biden, Starmer etc these people just do not matter. And they know Gaza cannot fight back. If anything they'll sell Netanyahu more weapons.

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 19:56

Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:53

Seriously? You want to combat 'misinformation' with 'honest'reporting? A pro-Israeli propaganda website?

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Did you read it?
I don't care if it's pro Israeli if it's true. Do you?

Auvergne63 · 29/10/2024 19:56

Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:53

Seriously? You want to combat 'misinformation' with 'honest'reporting? A pro-Israeli propaganda website?

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You really couldn't make it up.

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:53

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 19:46

Oh hello Daft, I see you're back with some more misinformation...

If anyone cares to read, maps of this type debunked here-

https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why/

Mumsnet please consider deleting this post above, it's misleading. I've reported.

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Seriously? You want to combat 'misinformation' with 'honest'reporting? A pro-Israeli propaganda website?

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:50

I suppose the US haven't twigged yet that Israel doesn't care what they think or have to say as long as they keep sending weapons over.

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Martymcfly24 · 29/10/2024 19:50

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 19:46

Oh hello Daft, I see you're back with some more misinformation...

If anyone cares to read, maps of this type debunked here-

https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why/

Mumsnet please consider deleting this post above, it's misleading. I've reported.

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HonestReporting or Honest Reporting is an Israeli media advocacy group. A pro-Israel media watchdog, it describes its mission as "combat[ting] ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel".

Id say they are completely impartial...

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Whatsinanamehey · 29/10/2024 19:49

The US's reaction to today's massacre

The US - Israel's key ally - has described the attack in the town of Beit Lahiya as a "horrifying incident with a horrifying result" and said officials have reached out to the Israeli government to find out what happened.
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller added he is aware of reports that children are among the dead.
He said officials have "made clear we want to know exactly what happened, how you could have a result that produces, according to reports, dozens of children dead, and we don't yet know the answer to that question".

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Martymcfly24 · 29/10/2024 19:48

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It is not anti semitic to hold Israel to the same standards as other countries.

If France was slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent civilians id say people would be a bit judgy.

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 19:46

Daftasabroom · 29/10/2024 19:23

What will figure 7 and 8 look like in the series below? It doesn't leave much to the imagination does it?

Oh hello Daft, I see you're back with some more misinformation...

If anyone cares to read, maps of this type debunked here-

https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why/

Mumsnet please consider deleting this post above, it's misleading. I've reported.

Debunked: Those Maps of 'Palestinian Land Loss' Are Misleading. Here's Why. | HonestReporting

If you've spent some time reading about the Arab-Israeli conflict on the internet, you have most likely encountered a series of maps supposedly outlining

https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why

Dulra · 29/10/2024 19:36

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I can’t believe anti semites still don’t get this!
Who are you referring to here?

Hammas still has 100 innocent Israeli civilians!
We are well aware of that but it doesn't justify killing Palestinian innocent civilians 100 just today. All innocent lives need to be protected from this.