How many more will Israel kill?

This Israeli government has made a despicably sick joke of the past suffering of its own people... and that's the least worst of it.

From the article: It was not possible to independently verify the report as Israel does not allow foreign journalists into Gaza.

So sick of them getting away with this. How can anyone know the true reality of what is happening there. It is 2024 fgs there needs to be people there to bear witness. I am so upset about all this today and so fed up with the double standards constantly on this site.

Go to archive.is, paste the link you wish to archive into the section labelled "My url is alive and I want to archive its content" and then click 'save'. After a minute or two the entire page is archived. 😀

Oh yes, so tricky not to kill and maim all the children

Maybe not bombing all the residential houses would help?

Even the US - who do not have clean hands at all - have suggested a more targeted campaign.

If you care about Israel you should be calling out the current administration's actions.

How do you do that? I am so pathetic with IT stuff

I saw that. Absolutely horrific. Did you know that entire Mumsnet pages can be archived at once? I have discovered this a couple months ago and I have been archiving as many threads as I can since then. I wonder what future generations would say about the attitudes displayed by Israel supporters in these threads when I show them.

Yes very disturbing views, on another thread they suggested there is no such things as oppression it is just that those oppressed are not as advanced

On the thread topic, we have passed yet another grim milestone.

Israel has killed more than twice as many civilian Lebanese compared to Hamas & Hezbollah killing of civilian Israeli civilians.

I cannot see any moral justification for the continued escalation and regional destabilisation.

IHL is clear that war crimes do not ever justify retaliatory war crimes.
There don’t seem to be any serious peace talks going on.

I really hope we are not facing another large scale war on the horizon.

I have reported that post. Hitler was a genocidal maniac. Quoting him is thoroughly offensive to all humanity and then for a poster to give that monster’s thoughts any platform at all by quoting him like his words carry weight and are something we should listen to is absolutely sickening to me.

I am shocked that MN is allowing the explicit quoting of Hitler’s Mein Kampf on here to claim that having empathy for thousands of murdered Palestinian civilians is falling for evil propaganda and only those of the lowest intellectuality would fall for it.

Why posts and posters like this allowed to stay? Throughly disgusted.

I suppose it's not surprising really. So devastating though. And still very little action from the international community.

Literally nobody else would get away with it,

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/nov/08/gaza-unparalleled-suffering-jan-egeland-norwegian-refugee-council-aid-ceasefire-hostages-peace-process

Unsurprising but confirmation from UN that mostly women and children killed in Gaza

@2024onwardsandup

It justifies some actions that would
normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome. It does not justify all of Israel’s actions at all.

No it really doesn't. Nothing justifies the indiscriminate killing, maiming and starvation of a population. You are deep into the propaganda there.

@2024onwardsandup and Israel will have far less opportunity to do the things that aren’t justifiable.

Interesting take. What would you suggest to do to rid Israel of the desire to do things that aren't justifiable?

Well the leader of Hamas was killed through a direct hit not through indiscriminately bombing hospitals, schools, refugee camps. No one said it's easy but if you continually commit war crimes and are being accused of genocide to get rid of Hamas (an ideology) you need to find a better way. It's so easy to suggest this the only option when it's not your children being killed, injured, starved and traumatised.
I am also unclear how limiting access to humanitarian aid and medical supplies to the civilian population of is part of getting rid of Hamas. 50 children have been killed in the past 2 days in Northern Gaza I do not believe this was their only option.

Nobody is forcing people to commit atrocities and war crimes. People are choosing to do so. The rest of the world should choose to stand up for what is right - which is not committing atrocities and war crimes.

People who commit terrorist acts, war crimes and other atrocities should face appropriate consequences within the framework of international law. Mass murder, torture, occupation, starvation, war crimes and a (viable) campaign to destroy a people aren't within that framework. They're examples of things against which the framework is intended to protect people. But too many people in the world continue to choose complicity.

@2024onwardsandup Get rid of Hamas,

Get rid of the reasons for Hamas existing. Get rid of Hamas.

There's a Japanese problem solving process called 5 whys. Basically you ask "why" 5 times, or as many as times as it takes, to get to the root of a problem.

Hamas are an abhorrent organization, but unless the conditions that lead to their rise they will only be replaced by an equivalent or worse.

@dulra how do you fight an organisation that embeds itself in civilian populations - that doesn’t wear uniforms (so combatants/non combatants can be identified), that embeds itself in hospitals and schools, that steals supplies from its own population, whose hostages are kept in seemingly civilian houses.

so many times people say oh yeah Hamas are awful … but then go onto simply ignore the ramifications of their awfulness. A fundamental part of Israel’s response is determined by Hamas awfulness. And it is ignoring that which I don’t understand.

That the leaders and their billions are safely somewhere else?
Do you even know what is happening?

So in a nutshell because Hamas embed themselves in the civilian population and would kill and rape all Israelis if they could justifies the IDF killing over 16,000 innocent Palestinian children? Injuring and maiming countless others, limiting humanitarian and medical aid to those that are still alive? And displacing an entire population?

Get rid of Hamas, get rid of Netanyahu
What a ridiculous simplistic soundbite

@2024onwardsandup* *
They don’t abide by the fundamental rules of
warfare

this is the REASON for some of the actions that Israel has taken. It justifies some actions that would normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome

You're gonna have to explain this better. How does a group commiting war crimes justify a country commiting war crimes in response? Tell us where that's legally justified. And while you're at it why don't you tell us exactly which actions you feel are justified and why. I think it's easier for you to write such blasé statements when you don't have to spell out what you're talking about so please do tell us what justifies starving people, denying medication to treat dying children, bombing whole villages, sniping children etc

I haven't seen anyone say Hamas are good though, everyone condemns Hamas and their terrorist activities. You sound like you have a very black and white POV and like you haven't researched what's going on at all.
It also does no favours to Palestinian or Israeli people to pretend that the IDF and the Israeli government are heroic good guys when they're actually also horrific genocidal maniacs and worse are being fully supported in their aims by the US and others and supplied by weapons to carry out their genocide.

@mollyfolk Hamas are embedded and hiding in the civilian population - their approach is to sacrifice civilians

they don’t abide by the fundamental rules of
warfare

this is the REASON for some of the actions that Israel has taken. It justifies some actions that would
normally not be acceptable and still remain horrific in terms of outcome. It does not justify all of Israel’s actions at all.

at the end of day Hamas slaughtered 1300 people and stole some and have kept them in tunnels. If it could have it would have raped and murdered all of Israel.

Free Palestine from Hamas and Israel will have far less opportunity to do the things that aren’t justifiable.

it is not this simple - but if it was a choice between my daughters life and the life of another innocent child - I would choose my daughter. This does not mean I would not grieve horribly the life of the other child.

are you not furious that Hamas is not protecting its own people - that no one is being rushed off to shelter in the tunnels? That the leaders and their billions are safely somewhere else?

Get rid of Hamas, get rid of Netanyahu