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The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital

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Whatsinanamehey · 25/10/2024 13:12

How is this being allowed to happen? How are the IDF getting away with the genocide and ethnic cleansing? In particular in the north of Gaza. They have bombed countless schools and hospitals and it is still happening!

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Gaza hospital 'raided' by Israeli military
Israel's military launched raided a hospital in north Gaza last night, Palestinian officials said.
Troops stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital and stationed forces outside it, according to medics.
Eid Sabbah, the hospital's nursing director, told the Reuters news agency that Israeli tanks opened fire on the hospital upon their arrival.
The hospital's oxygen stores were hit, he added, before troops raided the building and ordered staff and patients to leave.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military or World Health Organisation on the raid.

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PeasfullPerson · 27/10/2024 09:53

That this behaviour is supported and encouraged is a disgrace. It’s insane. In Israel, if you voice any concerns for Palestinians then you have to worry about being accused of all sorts of ridiculous things, but if you boast that you have murdered innocent Palestinian, men, women, and children, you appear to get cheered. It is safe to inflict hatred and violence upon this vulnerable group, and it is unsafe to care for your fellow human beings! This is completely backwards and disturbing. Caring is seen as more of a threat than violence against innocent people that belong to a demonised out group. Humans are ridiculous.

Dulra · 27/10/2024 09:31

Scirocco · 27/10/2024 08:58

Wow, and they're proud of that. Says a lot.

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Agree this behaviour is condoned and supported at the top. If the soldiers on the ground in Gaza see and treat innocent civilians as a form of revenge it is extremely dangerous for civilians. There is nothing stopping them.

Martymcfly24 · 27/10/2024 09:01

They don't need to hide it. They know they are untouchable. They ignore UN, ICj etc
Both of the presidential candidates in America support their "right to defend themselves" .
When there are no checks and balances on the actions they will continue to escalate.

Scirocco · 27/10/2024 08:58

Whatsinanamehey · 27/10/2024 08:51

This is what the innocent children are facing. Soldiers with guns and power and a thirst for revenge. No wonder so many doctors who have volunteered from the UK and US in Gaza have said they repeatedly see children who have been sniped in the head.

During the recent funeral of an IDF reservist who was killed fighting in Lebanon, his loved ones eulogized him as someone who was determined to take revenge against Gazans, even women and children, and who allegedly set a home in the Strip on fire without authorization from his superiors in order to cheer up his fellow soldiers.

Wow, and they're proud of that. Says a lot.

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/10/2024 08:51

This is what the innocent children are facing. Soldiers with guns and power and a thirst for revenge. No wonder so many doctors who have volunteered from the UK and US in Gaza have said they repeatedly see children who have been sniped in the head.

During the recent funeral of an IDF reservist who was killed fighting in Lebanon, his loved ones eulogized him as someone who was determined to take revenge against Gazans, even women and children, and who allegedly set a home in the Strip on fire without authorization from his superiors in order to cheer up his fellow soldiers.

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/10/2024 08:49

Martymcfly24 · 27/10/2024 07:49

At the start of the year I thought posts like this were from people who were naive/misunderstood the situation/unable to comprehend a state could do this/unaware.
Plus also the fact October 7th was so horrific and violent there was a hangover from this.
Nearly 13 months on I can see how past evils have occurred in history.

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They are not even trying to hide it anymore

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/reservist-eulogized-for-desire-to-take-revenge-against-gazans-setting-home-on-fire-to-boost-morale/

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Polka83 · 27/10/2024 08:05

JaneDoeHere · 25/10/2024 15:18

@Scirocco sometimes I envy the simplicity of how you see things.

Sometimes simplicity is the best lens to views things. The KISS principle.

There is no justification for what Israel is continuing to do. Basically the whole world is telling Israel to lay down their arms but they appear hell bent on ethnic cleansing northern Gaza. Ready for settlers?

Your arguments about Hamas are not an excuse for what Israel is doing. Why did they detain 44 male medical staff? Were these the supposed Hamas fighters? Male does not equal soldier!

Even if there were some Hamas soldiers were there in the hospital, international law does not justify carnage for low level fighters. That’s why - particularly now Sinwar dead, the world is telling the IDF to STOP!

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Martymcfly24 · 27/10/2024 07:49

Lalaloveya · 27/10/2024 07:34

This post is shocking. I can't say what I think about it because the post would be deleted.

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At the start of the year I thought posts like this were from people who were naive/misunderstood the situation/unable to comprehend a state could do this/unaware.
Plus also the fact October 7th was so horrific and violent there was a hangover from this.
Nearly 13 months on I can see how past evils have occurred in history.

Auvergne63 · 27/10/2024 07:45

Lalaloveya · 27/10/2024 07:34

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You are not the only one!

Lalaloveya · 27/10/2024 07:34

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/10/2024 04:08

There's a even worse image posted by an IDF soldier with stripped detained Palestinians that I won't post on here with the caption we will turn Gaza into a graveyard, these soldiers are the definition of stupid! They record and incriminate themselves as they go along leaving a huge file for the ICC to get through!

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/10/2024 03:48

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'Evacuate' them to where? Smaller over crowded safe zones so Israel can bomb them later like they have done countless times before?

The siege and the ethnic cleansing in the north of Gaza was one of the things Israel was warned about by the US. Warned that weapon transfers will stop if they continue to do this. History tells us that once they leave they will not be allowed back.

It was reported on sky that obtained drone footage of long lines amongst rubble of homeless Palestinians forced to leave. Later the men are separated and stripped and taken away and the women and children are forced to continue alone. This is a textbook genocide and Israeli soldiers are so dumb they are taking pictures and videos and uploading it on their social media whilst they continue their war crimes.

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Catatonican · 27/10/2024 02:17

The war will end when Israel stop the brutalisation of the Palestinian people, which has been ongoing for many years.

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HRTQueen · 26/10/2024 22:22

Isreal will do just as they please in the next two weeks and will step up their attacks

they are well aware that Biden will not interfere not that he has had much influence

War crimes are being committed by a ruling voted in government over and over again and all this will do is prolong unrest in the area

how we can stand by and do so little is utterly shameful

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:57

One of the first scholars to say Israel was committing genocide was Raz Segal, a professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University, who called it a “textbook case” in Jewish Currents just days after Hamas’s October 7, 2023, attack on Israel. Ahead of the one-year anniversary of Hamas’s attack, he told me he wished he had been wrong.

“I fully stand behind my description of Israel’s attack on Gaza as a ‘textbook case of genocide’ because we’re still actually seeing, nearly a year into this genocidal assault, explicit and unashamed statements of intent to destroy,” he said. “The way that intent is expressed here is absolutely unprecedented.”

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:52

Many experts and scholars who were not calling it a genocide, have now concluded that they believe it is so now.

Any early hesitation I had about applying the ‘genocide’ label to the Israeli attack on Gaza has dissipated over the past year of human slaughter and the obliteration of homes, infrastructure, and communities,” said Adam Jones, a professor of political science at the University of British Columbia who has written a textbook on genocide. “There is plenty of this demonization and dehumanization on the other side as well, but whatever peace constituency existed in Israel seems to have vanished, and there is a growing consensus for genocidal war, mass population transfer, and long-term eradication of Palestinian culture and identity.”
Among other things, Jones noted Israeli leadership’s recent plans to expel the entire remaining civilian population of northern Gaza and turn the territory into a military zone where no aid would be allowed as influencing his thinking on the issue. There is no indication of whether civilians would ever be allowed to return. This could be taken as an example of the kind of “state or organizational plan or policy” necessary to prove genocidal intent, he said. Though the plan, if it has been implemented, has not yet been seen to completion, it can still serve as evidence of intent.

Netanyahu considering plan to force all Palestinian civilians out of northern Gaza to besiege Hamas | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is considering a plan to force all Palestinian civilians out of northern Gaza, including Gaza City, in order to lay siege to Hamas and force the release of hostages.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/22/middleeast/netanyahu-gaza-hamas-expulsions-plan-intl/index.html

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Whatsinanamehey · 26/10/2024 21:44

How many doctors have Israel kidnapped? How many more health workers will they kill and torture? For how long will you carry on condoning the genocide happening right now in the north of Gaza?

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Sussurations · 26/10/2024 20:10

I’m not saying it would end the war for sure. But Hamas could release the hostages today if they wanted to try to end it.

they don’t.

and an alternative way of looking at Israel ‘getting away with genocide’ is because, tragic as this war is, this is a war, not a genocide.

Hamas and Iran’s other proxies have suffered some major blows, dealt pretty surgically, by Israeli forces. Militarily, Hamas stand no chance against the IDF - they know that, you know that, everyone knows that. So why have they provoked and then prolonged this war, that they cannot win, at the awful cost of the death and suffering in Gaza? They know how impossibly difficult it is for Israeli forces to operate in Gaza because Hamas hides among civilians. They know the cost to their own people.

I know the prevailing opinion on these threads is that if you don’t hate and blame Israel you don’t care about people dying. Which I’m not going to try to address because it’s a fucking stupid way of looking at war, politics, history, the Middle East and human nature. For the record, I think there is much to criticise about the Israeli govt and especially tacit or overt support of West Bank settlers but I strongly support the right of Israel to exist and to defend itself. And all things being equal, to conduct its own wars as it sees fit, and to conduct diplomacy and talks as it sees fit.

Martymcfly24 · 26/10/2024 20:08

herecomesautumn · 26/10/2024 20:05

"Terrorists"? Or terrorists?

Are you saying terrorism is justified. Not sure if I'm understanding what you mean

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Is firing on a hospitals oxygen supplies killing newborns justified?

herecomesautumn · 26/10/2024 20:05

Catatonican · 26/10/2024 16:59

Each day a little bit of me breaks away as I watch from a distance what is happening in Gaza.

And the world wonders how 'terrorists' are born.

"Terrorists"? Or terrorists?

Are you saying terrorism is justified. Not sure if I'm understanding what you mean

whytetulip · 26/10/2024 19:51

Catatonican · 26/10/2024 16:59

Each day a little bit of me breaks away as I watch from a distance what is happening in Gaza.

And the world wonders how 'terrorists' are born.

What's worth the quotation marks?

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