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The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital

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Whatsinanamehey · 25/10/2024 13:12

How is this being allowed to happen? How are the IDF getting away with the genocide and ethnic cleansing? In particular in the north of Gaza. They have bombed countless schools and hospitals and it is still happening!

From sky news
Gaza hospital 'raided' by Israeli military
Israel's military launched raided a hospital in north Gaza last night, Palestinian officials said.
Troops stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital and stationed forces outside it, according to medics.
Eid Sabbah, the hospital's nursing director, told the Reuters news agency that Israeli tanks opened fire on the hospital upon their arrival.
The hospital's oxygen stores were hit, he added, before troops raided the building and ordered staff and patients to leave.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military or World Health Organisation on the raid.

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LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:52

There is video evidence of civilians being targeted, including footage in which it is explicitly stated that they are known to be non-combatants and that they are being used to lure out other non-combatants.

The most well known example of this was the family of Hind Rajab and the two paramedics sent with IDF approval to rescue Hind who was the sole survivor until the ambulance arrived and then Hind and the paramedics were murdered.

Here is FA’s investigation which was accepted by the US Congress and is a matter of official record:
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

Forensic Architecture

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:48

Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:13

FYI: medical evidence, military reports and eyewitness accounts (including from former IDF professionals) confirms the systematic targeting of civilians - including children and people known to present no imminent risk of harm.

This analysis as well (the link is to full analysis including cartographic videos)

”Since the start of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza in October 2023, Forensic Architecture has been collecting data related to attacks against civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure by the Israeli military. Our analysis of this conduct reveals the near-total destruction of civilian life in Gaza. We have also collected and analysed evacuation orders issued by the Israeli military directing Palestinian civilians to areas of Gaza designated as ‘safe’. These orders have resulted in the repeated, large-scale displacement of the Palestinian population across Gaza, often to areas which subsequently came under Israeli attack.
Our findings indicate that Israel’s military campaign in Gaza is organised, systematic, and intended to destroy conditions of life and life-sustaining infrastructure.”

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide

Forensic Architecture

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide

LoremIpsumCici · 29/10/2024 12:45

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:30

I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word "Mum" that support is not stronger for educating on discrimination and oppression of women rights.

Women need to realize life is not all cookies and cream: there is suffering, pain, sorrow that is unavoidable because of evil regimes, and war. It is very historically complex. Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

It is easier to think: "Oh, here is the BAD guy just stop them"; rather than put the focus on fixing the long term problem: terroristic, women oppressing countries such as Iran. THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

Religious law: The state's legal system is based on religious law."

This is how Iran's govt is ruled.
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.

A religious law based country, that oppresses women is even worse.

Iran is evil, terrorists are evil because they use beheadings, rape; they are "snakes" who use innocents. Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.

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Israel has been going down the same path to segregation of women, barring them from leadership positions, and even making them sit in the back of the bus or deny service if not dress modestly enough. VAWG has increased.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/54250
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ive-been-fighting-for-womens-rights-in-israel-for-20-years/
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/56072
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/middleeast/israel-women-rights.html

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/boston-sunday-globe/20230813/281560885324856

https://www.haaretz.com/haaretz-explains/2023-07-25/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israels-government-frightening-steps-against-women-explained/00000189-8d4c-d95c-a7ab-fd7dec9e0000

Chipping Away at Decades of Progress: Gender Segregation in Israel

The diminished number of women in decision-making positions in government, coupled with the increase in attempts to implement gender segregation, threatens the right to equality.

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/56072

Tel12 · 28/10/2024 22:04

Nothing can justify what is being allowed to happen in Gaza. Nothing.

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GhostCicada · 28/10/2024 20:19

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:20

FYI: ISRAEL does NOT "systemically" TARGET innocents, the unarmed. If cowardly terrorist organizations did not hide behind and use civilian based shields, civilian casualties would be far less.

Don't you think though that when the goal is to 'eliminate everything' as per the Israeli minister for defence it does mean that civillians are being targeted. If there is nothing left how do Israel expect civillians to survive?

There is also the matter of a number of Israeli politicians like Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter telling us that they are 'rolling out the Gaza Nakba'. Does that not suggest that civillians are amongst their targets?

I'm confused about how you are so certain that civillians aren't being targeted when Israeli politicians have told us that they are rolling out a Nakba and that they intend to 'eliminate everything'. Where does you certainty come from in the face of such statements? Do you not believe that Israeli politicians tell the truth?

JaneJeffer · 28/10/2024 19:27

I don't know about squirrels but I know a nut when I see one

myearthisflat · 28/10/2024 19:20

Not sure about tired, but thought most would agree that the country is sick.

BTW, the squirrel is really cute, thanks!

Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:13

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:20

FYI: ISRAEL does NOT "systemically" TARGET innocents, the unarmed. If cowardly terrorist organizations did not hide behind and use civilian based shields, civilian casualties would be far less.

FYI: medical evidence, military reports and eyewitness accounts (including from former IDF professionals) confirms the systematic targeting of civilians - including children and people known to present no imminent risk of harm.

Scirocco · 28/10/2024 19:11

If we're going down the squirrel route, here's a cute one.

People should not allow themselves to be persuaded by the lies about not targeting civilians. It would be highly unlikely that such a consistent pattern of head and limb shots would emerge by accident. Large numbers of children and other civilians are being brought to hospital with gunshot injuries in patterns that are both unlikely to be accidental and match established shooting patterns used by IDF military including snipers. There is video evidence of civilians being targeted, including footage in which it is explicitly stated that they are known to be non-combatants and that they are being used to lure out other non-combatants. Oh, and there are also former IDF professionals who confirm that such targeting has happened and continues to happen.

But hey, this squirrel is really cute.

The IDF have now raided the Kamal Adwan hospital
whytetulip · 28/10/2024 19:07

Catatonican · 28/10/2024 18:55

I guess you have the seen the news on how the situation has developed given they have now arrested dozens of 'terrorists' who worked at the hospital

Doesn't really answer my question about your first statement.

Catatonican · 28/10/2024 19:00

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Catatonican · 28/10/2024 18:55

whytetulip · 26/10/2024 19:51

What's worth the quotation marks?

I guess you have the seen the news on how the situation has developed given they have now arrested dozens of 'terrorists' who worked at the hospital

1234Kitty · 28/10/2024 18:45

Whatsinanamehey · 28/10/2024 15:40

I sense a bot

Yup, the spelling and use of certain words.

JaneJeffer · 28/10/2024 17:28

As far as I'm concerned Israel is evil too. How can anyone look at what they're doing and not think so?

Dulra · 28/10/2024 16:20

Whatsinanamehey · 28/10/2024 15:44

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

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Yes let's shout about women's rights by patronising women

Lalaloveya · 28/10/2024 16:03

I'm sure the women and children who were turfed out of the hospital, including the children who reportedly died in the intensive care unit as a result, would care deeply about these missives.

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:45

Daftasabroom · 28/10/2024 07:41

Sadly there are too many Israeli apologists and Israelis who are indeed judge, jury and executioner for 43,000 Palestinians.

You wish it could be so simple. "Apologist" is just another trendy word and label. There is no need to apologize for any country, anywhere, that understands evil is what oppresses all people.

EasterIssland · 28/10/2024 15:45

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:30

I find it incredible that on a site that uses the word "Mum" that support is not stronger for educating on discrimination and oppression of women rights.

Women need to realize life is not all cookies and cream: there is suffering, pain, sorrow that is unavoidable because of evil regimes, and war. It is very historically complex. Women are emotionally equipped (genetically wired if you will) to nurture and support life growth, so terrorists and newspapers use that lovely quality of women in order to influence women to feel sorrow, and human pain stronger. We as women, need to realize this and meter their tendency to be influenced by photos/stories, etc of suffering peoples.

It is easier to think: "Oh, here is the BAD guy just stop them"; rather than put the focus on fixing the long term problem: terroristic, women oppressing countries such as Iran. THIS is what Israel is about: stopping oppressive, religious law terrorist supporters.

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

Religious law: The state's legal system is based on religious law."

This is how Iran's govt is ruled.
God never intended for any people to be ruled by religious law.

A religious law based country, that oppresses women is even worse.

Iran is evil, terrorists are evil because they use beheadings, rape; they are "snakes" who use innocents. Israel, while not perfect, is not evil.

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More women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades

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it’s not only an Iran problem. Israel’s government doesn’t care about women either

Whatsinanamehey · 28/10/2024 15:44

Influencing soft women's hearts is a tactic terrorists use. Women must think long term not make judgements by emotionally upsetting news and images.

🙄

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username1478 · 28/10/2024 15:44

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:41

I apologize, I do not intend to divert; only to educate where I see misunderstanding of evil and good.

No problem at all. You're obviously very passionate about supporting Israel and the rule of law.

Sheri99 · 28/10/2024 15:41

username1478 · 28/10/2024 15:33

And THIS is what IRAN does and IRAN supports the terrorists, and IS a country that supports the arrest of this PRISONER in IRAN.

Look over there! A squirrel.

I apologize, I do not intend to divert; only to educate where I see misunderstanding of evil and good.

Whatsinanamehey · 28/10/2024 15:40

I sense a bot

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username1478 · 28/10/2024 15:33

And THIS is what IRAN does and IRAN supports the terrorists, and IS a country that supports the arrest of this PRISONER in IRAN.

Look over there! A squirrel.