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Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas/PIJ

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OrangeBlossomBlue · 23/10/2024 17:06

”The IDF says that due to intelligence recovered from the Gaza Strip during military operations, they can reveal that Anas Al-Sharif, Alaa Salama, Hossam Shabat, Ashraf Saraj, Ismail Abu Amr, and Talal Aruki are all affiliated with the military wings of either Hamas or PIJ.” (Palestinian Islamic Jihad)

m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825877

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anotherlevel · 23/10/2024 22:10

@HossamShabat
Israel’s army has released fabricated dossiers framing us, the last remaining journalists in North Gaza reporting on Israel’s extermination and ethnic-cleansing campaign, as “terrorists”.

This blatant and belligerent attempt to transform us, the last witnesses in the north, into killable targets is an assassination threat and obvious attempt to preemptively justify our murder.

We would like to remind everyone that after murdering our colleague Ismail Al Ghoul, Israel released a document that claimed he supposedly received a military ranking on July 1, 2007, when he would have been a 10 year old child.

This public threat was made without any evidence and is part of a systematic propaganda campaign to justify the unjustifiable as Israel continues to target civilians in Gaza, including doctors, aid workers, children and us journalists.

We call on our colleagues and media institutions around the world to show their solidarity with us.

Despite these dangerous and untrue threats made against us, we remain committed to our profession and will continue to report the facts on the ground as the genocide regretfully continues unabated.

x.com/HossamShabat/status/1849162170661052417

TheTank · 23/10/2024 22:09

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:51

Which is awful, but it's not the indiscriminate killing people are attributing to the IDF.

23,000 innocent people killed by the IDF. How do you define “indiscriminate”?

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 22:04

Lalaloveya · 23/10/2024 19:10

As usual on these threads people aren't defending Hamas. A year on and But Hamas continues to be the go-to deflection from the pro-Israeli side any time Israeli war crimes, lies etc are raised. It's so tiresome.

The thread is literally about Hamas/PIJ being Al Jazeera 'journalists'

zeddybrek · 23/10/2024 22:02

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:45

If you want me to believe Hamas's figure of 41,000 killed, you have to accept the IDF account that of those, 17,000-18,000 were combatants, so roughly 1:1 civilians to combatants, which sounds awful, but is actually very low compared to other conflicts. The ratio for WWII is somewhere between 2:1 to 3:1.

Look I support release of the hostages. I think it's barbaric to make innocent Israeli hostages suffer, and their families too. I think all suffering on both sides should cease immediately.

But seriously how can you say, by your own calculations, that killing 23,000 innocent Palestinian people is acceptable in response.

A genocide is being live steamed to the world. And it is very one sided. There are no international journalists reporting from Gaza as they are from Israel. Why?

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 22:01

Dulra · 23/10/2024 21:55

It is indiscriminate I have no idea how you can claim otherwise.

I mean the IDF did also shoot their own hostages, it was discussed at the time that too many young recruits who are not trained properly shoot first and ask questions later. It's much easier for them to pass off ordinary Palestinians as Hamas.

Scirocco · 23/10/2024 21:58

TheTank · 23/10/2024 21:49

So by this reckoning 23,000 innocent people have been killed

The definition of 'combatant' can be as vague as 'Palestinian male who may have gone through puberty'...

Dulra · 23/10/2024 21:55

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:51

Which is awful, but it's not the indiscriminate killing people are attributing to the IDF.

It is indiscriminate I have no idea how you can claim otherwise.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:51

TheTank · 23/10/2024 21:49

So by this reckoning 23,000 innocent people have been killed

Which is awful, but it's not the indiscriminate killing people are attributing to the IDF.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/10/2024 21:51

They can't believe it because in their virtuous haze, everybody Palestinian is innocent.

What virtuous haze are you under that you uncritically believe unsubstantiated reports by the IDF?

TheTank · 23/10/2024 21:49

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:45

If you want me to believe Hamas's figure of 41,000 killed, you have to accept the IDF account that of those, 17,000-18,000 were combatants, so roughly 1:1 civilians to combatants, which sounds awful, but is actually very low compared to other conflicts. The ratio for WWII is somewhere between 2:1 to 3:1.

So by this reckoning 23,000 innocent people have been killed

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:45

zeddybrek · 23/10/2024 21:31

What about the other tens of thousands of innocent people killed. What's the ratio, 1 bad person killed for every 2,000 killed children. Probably more.

We will believe the statistics when journalists can report from Gaza. Just like they do in Israel.

If you want me to believe Hamas's figure of 41,000 killed, you have to accept the IDF account that of those, 17,000-18,000 were combatants, so roughly 1:1 civilians to combatants, which sounds awful, but is actually very low compared to other conflicts. The ratio for WWII is somewhere between 2:1 to 3:1.

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 21:42

IAmAHomewardBounder · 23/10/2024 20:47

Why is it so hard to believe that Al Jazeera journalists are affiliated with Hamas and PIJ?

Three kidnap victims were rescued from a journalist's house earlier in the year, UNRWA employees were found to be Hamas operatives. Why is this so unbelievable?

They can't believe it because in their virtuous haze, everybody Palestinian is innocent

Including those who kept abducted Israelis prisoner, those who waddled and hobbled over the fence to loot houses and those who spat and jeered on the broken bodies of innocent Israelis

zeddybrek · 23/10/2024 21:31

What about the other tens of thousands of innocent people killed. What's the ratio, 1 bad person killed for every 2,000 killed children. Probably more.

We will believe the statistics when journalists can report from Gaza. Just like they do in Israel.

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:29

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:27

How can you possibly know what conversations I had on October 8th?

That's not what I was referring to.

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:28

The first marches took place before the Israeli response really got going, before the supposed atrocities of the IDF.

This is not true.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:27

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:26

Again, not true but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you really are unaware.

How can you possibly know what conversations I had on October 8th?

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:26

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:23

I was going by memory and hastily looking for references. My bad.

I do recall being appalled when I talked to people about the atrocities of October 7th that many were already blaming Israel, the "IOF", and Netanyahu while the bodies were still lying broken and unburied where they had fallen. The first marches took place before the Israeli response really got going, before the supposed atrocities of the IDF.

Again, not true but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you really are unaware.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:23

Scirocco · 23/10/2024 21:20

A 14 day difference between dates is not a 'slight amendment' and still gives an incorrect date for the commencement of the IDF's response to October 7th (which commenced on October 7th).

I was going by memory and hastily looking for references. My bad.

I do recall being appalled when I talked to people about the atrocities of October 7th that many were already blaming Israel, the "IOF", and Netanyahu while the bodies were still lying broken and unburied where they had fallen. The first marches took place before the Israeli response really got going, before the supposed atrocities of the IDF.

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:22

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:16

Slight amendment, Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 13 October, still doesn't explain the march on 9 October.

If you don't want to believe me just do a quick Google search on how many people were already killed through bombing on October 8th 2023 in Gaza!

Scirocco · 23/10/2024 21:20

A 14 day difference between dates is not a 'slight amendment' and still gives an incorrect date for the commencement of the IDF's response to October 7th (which commenced on October 7th).

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:17

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:16

Slight amendment, Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 13 October, still doesn't explain the march on 9 October.

The bombing started straight away! Surely you would know that? Whose been telling you these lies that there was no retaliation until October 13th?

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:16

Scirocco · 23/10/2024 21:14

That's simply not true. The IDF response to the October 7th attacks started on October 7th.

Slight amendment, Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 13 October, still doesn't explain the march on 9 October.

Scirocco · 23/10/2024 21:14

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:09

The first pro-Palestinian marches in the UK happened on October 9th, the largest demonstrations were held in London, with people from across the country in attendance, thousands marched on 15 October 2023, and 100,000 on 21 October.

The IDF response to the attacks did not start until 27 October.

That's simply not true. The IDF response to the October 7th attacks started on October 7th.

Kakeandkake · 23/10/2024 21:12

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:09

The first pro-Palestinian marches in the UK happened on October 9th, the largest demonstrations were held in London, with people from across the country in attendance, thousands marched on 15 October 2023, and 100,000 on 21 October.

The IDF response to the attacks did not start until 27 October.

The IDF responded the same day, please check your facts before posting outright lies.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 21:10

Fairy0708 · 23/10/2024 21:09

Ok. I won't get you started 😊

Too late 😶