Ever look at how many suicide attacks the Palestinians committed before the Gaza blockade?

Pro Palestinian supporters reinforcing hatred of Israel
I take this accusation extremely seriously. Is this a fact ( if it is, you need to provide evidence) or just your opinion?
Do pro Israeli government supporters reinforce hatred of Palestinians?

I think you're right...but for the population now, the things they were taught (and were taught in UNWRA schools) ..it's insideous the hate for Jewish people now, it's going to take a long time to de-radicalise the population and show them there is a better way. This war won't have warmed them to Israel generally ( although I know there are a sizeable proportion of Palestinians who do support Israel, they are too small do do anything significant without outside support).

I see after 2008 due to Israel's hard line on preventing suicide attacks the attacks dropped significantly and Hamas et al struggled to recruit volunteers.

Thanks @Babycatsarenice it does help with understanding of why Israel had to take security very seriously.

"The first suicide attack was carried out in 1989. The high point was in 2002 during the Second Intifada.[3] The Al-Aqsa Intifada saw a dramatic upswing in suicide bombings, with A, 40% of the total number originated in East Jerusalem.[a] A 2007 study of Palestinian suicide bombings during the Second Intifada (September 2000 through August 2005) found that 39.9% of the suicide attacks were carried out by Hamas, 26.4% by Fatah, 25.7% by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), 5.4% by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and 2.7% by other organizations. The attacks steeply declined by 2008.[3] "

@PeasfullPerson I would be ever so grateful if you stopped being rude

I don't understand because your post is so far off topic I can't think why you posted it on this particular thread

It's not a long thread so you can't say the topic had evolved

I don't really understand your point? Israel kill 100s of Palestinians pretty much every year. How many Israeli settler attacks take place against Palestinians every year? Does that mean that Israel should be illegally occupied and denied their right to exist?

Take a random year 2021, Israel killed 319 Palestinians and 295 Palestinian homes were demolished on Israeli authorities orders leaving 100s of children and adults homeless. Israel are hardly lovely neighbours themselves are they. Would you be as blasé about Israelis being collectively punished for the death and destruction caused to Palestinians?

Oh really, please back up this claim, who exactly thinks this?

I notice nobody has actually said anything to say about the content of the article. They have simply tried to deflect it.

Are you pretending to not understand?

It’s about the response to terror acts being proportionate.

My guess is that Israel’s relentless actions will lead more into martyrdom. I hope I am wrong.

HRW has long been the laughing stock of the international community for their reports. Years.

One of the reports they wrote on Iraq said that Yezidi women had grossly exaggerated the crimes committed against them. They pulled it after an outcry in early 2019

That is not what the post was discussing, why take my quote out of context?

It was responding to the following suggestion:
Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

I was pointing out that they are two different things so not comparable. One is a border from Gaza into Egypt the other is an illegal occupation of Gaza.

I am aware that Palestinians have work permits to cross the border and work in Israel. Unfortunately Israel use that as a form of controlling/ punishing them too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/israel-palestinian-workers-pay

@Dulra

"I am not aware of Palestinians wanting to leave Gaza and cross the border into Israel. They are looking for self determination in Gaza."

Prior to Hamas coming to power, Israel had issued 120k work permits for Gazans to work in Israel.

Even after Hamas this was at 20k Gazans at its peak. After the terror attacks of 7th October Israel cancelled all work permits on security grounds.

So yes there were Gazans wanting to leave Gaza and cross into Israel and it was hardly a prison that allowed Gazans to cross the border for work.

Or are you going to argue that this is some form of prison work release or work experience scheme to enable the "imprisoned Gazans" to better integrate into society? Or maybe argue that it was a form of "slave labour " despite being voluntary and paying significantly higher salaries than in Gaza.

Basically "open air prison " is trotted out as yet another bollocks buzzword bingo to sit alongside genocide, fascism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, carpet bombing etc etc.

That's really interesting OP and gives an insight into a proportion of the Gazan population. You only get suicide bombings with extremely committed ideology in this case one probably supported by religion as well as tribal grievance. In fact those who perpetrated October 7th were suicide combatants as there was no way many were getting back to Gaza alive.

We are rarely given this perspective on the media as it muddied the water in terms of the victim status of the Palestinian people. As people say Palestine = good Israel = bad simples.

We have to ask the question how many Palestinian men are groomed for martyrdom and will this inevitably continue? When we see images for. Gaza we don't see young men actively joining Hamas as this is obviously occuring nor do we see the vociferous hate for Israel.

Does that mean he is wrong in his statement? I don't understand the correlation between being a people pleaser and his views on Gaza. Care to explain?

Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

No I don't Got it. You're describing two different things. One is a border from Gaza into Egypt the other is an illegal occupation of Gaza. I am not aware of Palestinians wanting to leave Gaza and cross the border into Israel. They are looking for self determination in Gaza.

Gabor Maté is the first to admit that he’s an inveterate people pleaser

You mean the one used by Holocaust survivors, like Mate Gabor?

Maybe you need to understand the numerous reasons why Egypt does not allow an open access (btw the crossing between Egypt and Gaza is now under Israeli control).
Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza | AP News

I think it's more Hamas=bad and Israeli government/IDF= bad.

Oh yes. The old "open air prison" argument

Trying to change the course of the thread 🙄

Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

Got it.

Why should they have to leave Gaza?