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Why do Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency?

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Oodiks · 19/10/2024 20:49

Why is it that all other refugees come under the protection of the UNCHR and are resettled in another country if they cannot return home, but UNWRA keeps Palestinians in camps all over the Middle East and they are never offered the chance to resettle in their host countries?

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 23:09

Throughout the world in the 1940s and 1950s (when the Palestinians became refugees )millions and millions of refugees were rehabilitated in the countries that had given them shelter.

600,000 Chineses fled to Hong Kong in 1949
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

14 million Hindu and Muslim refugees found shelter in India and Pakistan, respectively, following partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

3.1 million fled North Korea to South Korea in the 1950-1953 conflict.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

800,000 Jews had to flee Arab countries of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
It was tough, it was tragic but they moved on.

10 million ethnic Germans were brutally expelled from Eastern Europe when the borders were redrawn, not because they were Nazis, just because they belonged to the ethnic group that had lost the war. They had lived there for centuries.
These ethnic German refugees also wanted to return to their birthplaces. They did not want to return under foreign rule meaning they wanted Germany to recapture these territories forcefully.
All of Germany’s political leaders paid lip service to the refugee’s demands and public ally supported them but, in reality, did nothing to advance them. Germany focussed on the refugee’s full integration into Germany and pursued wealth redistribution to achieve this. By the early 1960s, the voices demanding a return had all but disappeared.
The German Government realised that to pursue the refugee’s desire to return to their birthplace would have resulted in further conflict and war.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

700,000 Palestinians were expelled from the Mandate in 1948.
It was tough, it was tragic but it is time to MOVE ON.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:05

Can't wait for the day some neo-pagan Italian Romans displace modern Britishers from ancient Roman territories and decide the Britishers should resettle nicely in 'new homes' in Greenland or somewhere

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:03

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 23:02

@Kindatired

To the Palestinians, the ‘right of return’ means to Israel.
The Israelis always thought this was a bargaining chip. They found out in 2000 and 2008, it wasn’t.
The Palestinians are not using the ‘right of return’ to mean Gaza or the West Bank.
No wonder you were confused. Hope that has cleared it up.
Palestinians do not have a ‘right to return’ to Israel.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:01

What religious war? The oil war and land grab?
People want to go home. That's all. Home where their families lived for centuries, however non-westernly.

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:00

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:59

No map that will copy.
The pro- Israeli posters here think forced displacement is a good idea for the Palestinians but once the 1967 borders are mentioned maybe it’s not so much good

So, no map that actually exists then.

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:00

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:54

@Oodiks The milk of human kindness.

Your answer to the question of why Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency is kindness? Who is this kind to? These people have been held in limbo for decades now.

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Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:59

No map that will copy.
The pro- Israeli posters here think forced displacement is a good idea for the Palestinians but once the 1967 borders are mentioned maybe it’s not so much good

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:54

@Oodiks The milk of human kindness.

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:53

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:50

@Alwayslookonthe
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?
The 1967 boundaries.Those displaced from the land designated as Israel should be compensated adequately for their losses.

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Do you have a map of those boundaries?

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:51

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:26

What's sinister about wishing that Palestinian refugees, like all others, are given the chance to resettle elsewhere?
Voluntary resettlement is acceptable but forced displacement of a population is a feature of genocide. It seems from your posts that you would like them to integrate locally and hand over the Palestinian Territories to the Israelis. But maybe we’re misinterpreting your posts.

I don't see what's wrong with wanting them to be resettled in the countries that currently keep them in camps and won't allow them any rights. I think it's a crying shame that a whole population is being used as pawns in this religious war.

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Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:50

@Alwayslookonthe
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?
The 1967 boundaries.Those displaced from the land designated as Israel should be compensated adequately for their losses.

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:40

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You're accusing me of being a foreign actor because I'm questioning why one refugee group gets their own special agency?

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:40

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:39

You mean stating that the Palestinians do not have the ‘right of return’. No definitely not misinformation.
Just clearing up the myth that is so often repeated.

Glad you’re reading though.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:39

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You mean stating that the Palestinians do not have the ‘right of return’. No definitely not misinformation.
Just clearing up the myth that is so often repeated.

ChangedNameAgain77 · 22/10/2024 22:36

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:36

Dulra · 22/10/2024 21:49

You understand that a lot of UNWRA workers are also working for Hamas, right?
No they're not, this has not been proven. The 6 of 7 that Israel claimed were have been dismissed and are being investigated. You do know Israel vets every UNWRA employee?

UN completes investigation on UNRWA staff | UN News

"...evidence obtained by OIOS indicated that the UNRWA staff members may have been involved in the 7 October attacks.
UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini issued a statement acknowledging the completion of the probe.
“I have decided that in the case of these remaining nine staff members, they cannot work for UNRWA. All contracts of these staff members will be terminated in the interest of the Agency,” he said."

UN completes investigation on UNRWA staff

The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel. 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:30

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:26

What's sinister about wishing that Palestinian refugees, like all others, are given the chance to resettle elsewhere?
Voluntary resettlement is acceptable but forced displacement of a population is a feature of genocide. It seems from your posts that you would like them to integrate locally and hand over the Palestinian Territories to the Israelis. But maybe we’re misinterpreting your posts.

Perhaps you are misinterpreting. What do you think the ‘right of return’ means?
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:26

What's sinister about wishing that Palestinian refugees, like all others, are given the chance to resettle elsewhere?
Voluntary resettlement is acceptable but forced displacement of a population is a feature of genocide. It seems from your posts that you would like them to integrate locally and hand over the Palestinian Territories to the Israelis. But maybe we’re misinterpreting your posts.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:08

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 22:03

I linked you to them!
Tell me, what is the point of posting links for you to read that answer your questions and then you ignore the link or pretend they don’t say what they say. And then five posts later you ask the same question or say the same myths that I have already debunked.

This is like shouting into the wind.

Because I have read them all and none of them give the Palestinians ‘the right to return’.
Perhaps you don’t feel confident in choosing one to discuss, which is okay. However, please don’t send me a link and ask me to read them. I have. I can confidently say that there is no International law that requires Israel to allow Palestinians and their descendants to return to Israel.

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 22:04

I’m out. Other Mumsnetters at least will read the links and sources and I am sure will see exactly what you have been up to here.

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 22:03

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:00

Name one that gives them the ‘right to return’.

I linked you to them!
Tell me, what is the point of posting links for you to read that answer your questions and then you ignore the link or pretend they don’t say what they say. And then five posts later you ask the same question or say the same myths that I have already debunked.

This is like shouting into the wind.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:00

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 21:58

Repeating myths from propaganda doesn’t make them true. You are 100% incorrect.

UN resolutions are international agreements, the UN charters, conventions and UNSC resolutions are legally binding international agreements.

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Name one that gives them the ‘right to return’.

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 21:58

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 21:51

To be absolutely clear, there is no International law that requires Israel to allow Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to Israel. No treaties or binding UN resolutions were violated by Israel's expulsion (some fled) of Palestinians during the 1948 conflict and none provide a right to return for Palestinian refugees.

Repeating myths from propaganda doesn’t make them true. You are 100% incorrect.

UN resolutions are international agreements, the UN charters, conventions and UNSC resolutions are legally binding international agreements.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 21:51

SummerFeverVenice · 22/10/2024 21:43

Follow the link, it states the UN resolutions that have enshrined the right of return for Palestinians. Which btw have been reaffirmed by the UN every year since 1948.

To be absolutely clear, there is no International law that requires Israel to allow Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to Israel. No treaties or binding UN resolutions were violated by Israel's expulsion (some fled) of Palestinians during the 1948 conflict and none provide a right to return for Palestinian refugees.