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Why do Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency?

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Oodiks · 19/10/2024 20:49

Why is it that all other refugees come under the protection of the UNCHR and are resettled in another country if they cannot return home, but UNWRA keeps Palestinians in camps all over the Middle East and they are never offered the chance to resettle in their host countries?

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kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:53

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SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 19:49

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:48

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-palestinians-holocaust

"a textbook use of the Holocaust not in order to stand with powerless people facing the prospect of genocidal violence, but to support and justify an extremely violent attack by a powerful state and, at the same time, distort this reality. But we see the reality in front of our eyes: since the start of Israeli mass violence on 7 October, the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza has surpassed 44,000*, a third of them children"

  • changed to reflect death toll as of 16.10.24

The question was, why did the Jewish people need a homeland. That is not 'weaponising the holocaust'.

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:48

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:44

Your question was why there is a need for a Jewish homeland.

In Palestine?

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:48

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:39

Seriously? Have you heard of the Holocaust?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-palestinians-holocaust

"a textbook use of the Holocaust not in order to stand with powerless people facing the prospect of genocidal violence, but to support and justify an extremely violent attack by a powerful state and, at the same time, distort this reality. But we see the reality in front of our eyes: since the start of Israeli mass violence on 7 October, the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza has surpassed 44,000*, a third of them children"

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Israel must stop weaponising the Holocaust | Raz Segal

Scholars of genocide are refusing to allow the dangerous use of the Holocaust to justify Israeli mass violence against Palestinians

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-palestinians-holocaust

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:44

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:42

Yes. Whats that got to do with taking over Palestine? Were the Palestinians involved?

Your question was why there is a need for a Jewish homeland.

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SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 19:44

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:35

Bristol? Texas?

Interestingly there was a tiny Jewish population in Bristol in the 16th century. You know, after the Jews had been expelled from England in 1290, and again from Spain in 1492 oh and Portugal in 1497. They werent supposed to be in England at all but they slipped in, but every once in a while someone noticed and chucked them out. No, i can't imagine why the Jewish people needed a homeland.

kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:42

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:39

Seriously? Have you heard of the Holocaust?

Yes. Whats that got to do with taking over Palestine? Were the Palestinians involved?

SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 19:40

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:39

Seriously? Have you heard of the Holocaust?

The the pogroms before that?

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:39

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Seriously? Have you heard of the Holocaust?

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kikisays · 21/10/2024 19:35

SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 18:41

Who do you mean and where should they move to?

Bristol? Texas?

PurpleChrayn · 21/10/2024 19:20

Why indeed!

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:14

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 19:04

Most of the refugees who had been interned had been released

Are you trying to suggest that the UK should have taken in more of the Jews who left Germany for Israel?

Are you trying to suggest that there is no need for a Jewish homeland?

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SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 19:06

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 18:08

What connection do Moroccan Arabs have to Palestinians other than religion? Is that not like saying that Irish and Italians are the same? Have you ever seen two Arabic speakers from different countries trying to speak together? And the Palestinian Arabs didn’t invite those people- they would have been just as safe in the UK where there were labour shortages at the time

Just to be clear, are you saying Jewish people would have been safe in Britain in the 30s - when British fascism was on the rise? Are you aware the British government actively restricted the number of Jews it allowed in, despite 'Labour shortages'. Only the well off and people in particular professions were let in and often only temporarily on condition they settled permsnently somewhere else. People often couldn't even bring over members of their family.

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 19:05

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 19:04

Most of the refugees who had been interned had been released

And?

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Kindatired · 21/10/2024 19:04

Most of the refugees who had been interned had been released

User37482 · 21/10/2024 18:59

I think around 75% of Palestinians in Jordan took Jordanian citizenship, I think therefore if they were offered it a lot would just take the citizenship of their host countries. The reality is if you were born and raised in Lebanon or Jordan or wherever, you probably speak that dialect of arabic and you probably have an affinity for that culture. If there were a two state solution, how many would prefer to stay where they are rather than move to a newly formed state. I’m saying this as someone who really does want to see a two state solution.

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 18:55

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 18:54

WW2 ended in 1945.

And?

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Kindatired · 21/10/2024 18:54

WW2 ended in 1945.

Daftasabroom · 21/10/2024 18:53

Cremacreme · 20/10/2024 06:43

They have a right to return home and it's their choice if they want to go back into unsafe conditions.

So they don’t actually have any protection & it’s dangerous to actually go back.

Why would it be unsafe for Palestinians to their former homelands? It's not like they've been subject to aggression, murder, ethnic cleansing by the Israelis? Oh, hang on, I got that wrong....

Oodiks · 21/10/2024 18:45

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Oodiks · 21/10/2024 18:43

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 18:08

What connection do Moroccan Arabs have to Palestinians other than religion? Is that not like saying that Irish and Italians are the same? Have you ever seen two Arabic speakers from different countries trying to speak together? And the Palestinian Arabs didn’t invite those people- they would have been just as safe in the UK where there were labour shortages at the time

What are you trying to say?

Perhaps you should have a look at Jewish immigration to the UK in the 30s and 40s?

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SharonEllis · 21/10/2024 18:41

Daftasabroom · 21/10/2024 18:34

Maybe it's time for those who took land from Palestinians to move on?

Who do you mean and where should they move to?

Daftasabroom · 21/10/2024 18:34

Alwayslookonthe · 20/10/2024 02:09

Palestinians do NOT have a ‘right’ to return.

Throughout the world in the 1940s and 1950s (when the Palestinians became refugees) millions and millions of refugees were rehabilitated in the countries that had given them shelter.

600,000 Chineses fled to Hong Kong in 1949
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

14 million Hindu and Muslim refugees found shelter in India and Pakistan, respectively, following partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

3.1 million fled North Korea to South Korea in the 1950-1953 conflict.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

800,000 Jews had to flee Arab countries of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
It was tough, it was tragic but they moved on.

10 million ethnic Germans were brutally expelled from Eastern Europe when the borders were redrawn, not because they were Nazis, just because they belonged to the ethnic group that had lost the war. They had lived there for centuries.
These ethnic German refugees also wanted to return to their birthplaces. They did not want to return under foreign rule meaning they wanted Germany to recapture these territories forcefully.
All of Germany’s political leaders paid lip service to the refugee’s demands and public ally supported them but, in reality, did nothing to advance them. Germany focussed on the refugee’s full integration into Germany and pursued wealth redistribution to achieve this. By the early 1960s, the voices demanding a return had all but disappeared.
The German Government realised that to pursue the refugee’s desire to return to their birthplace would have resulted in further conflict and war.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

700,000 Palestinians were expelled from the Mandate in 1948.
It was tough, it was tragic but it is time to MOVE ON.

Maybe it's time for those who took land from Palestinians to move on?

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