"You see us burning, you stay silent..."

This is a very disingenuous reply as you know we were not talking about civilians as collateral damage.
I said “And the memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has meant a widespread acceptance that it must never happen again. So some good came out of something terrible.”
You seem to wilfully misinterpret posts

But no one has said that atomic weapons are ok in 2024 … Perhaps re read what was said and don’t rely on other people’s misinterpretations

But how is the atomic bomb linked to Gaza ?

I have no doubt your father was but you have to accept there are alternatives viewpoints as there is with many historical events.

I am well aware of the forgotten army I have read a few books on their experiences which were horrific and inhumane. I am not for one minute suggesting what happened to them is justified either.

Yes, same. I guess it's not something I usually discuss with people, as it's just assumed that everyone would agree that it's a horrifying thought. This thread, and others on here have been eye-opening for sure.

Honestly I know I'll get flamed for this but I can't do anything to help.
There are so many atrocities happening every single day in every single country. Governments don't listen and don't care. I can't physically care about every single person awful things are happening to because I would literally break down.

That the huge loss of civilian life in Gaza is seen by many posters as collateral damage and a necessary consequence of war

? ? What do you mean

I am 'so sure' as you put it because my father was fully aware of what happened to the Forgotten Army as the Allies in the Far East were known.

No one is saying dropping atomic bombs is acceptable. Nothing about war is acceptable. I simply said it was regarded , at the time, as leading to less loss of life than the alternative.
In 2024 We’re all against war and against dropping atomic bombs ( I hope)

Thank you so much. I follow your empathetic posts on CITME and know we are on the same page. I can only wish us all shalom and hope that the disaster that has befallen your family and mine will end soon x

Same. Explains a lot though

Mumsnet is the only place I've ever seen this view expressed.

It genuinely makes me feel physically sick that in 2024 people think dropping an atomic bomb on an entire civilian population is acceptable. I'm shattered 😔

FFS it depends on whose analysis you read. No idea why you are so sure.
I'm not getting into an argument on the atomic bomb. My view is never going to change on it. For me it is not morally or ethically justifiable

FFS the allies were NOT winning in the Far East.

I think you'll find there is not any one view on this and military historians have debated it for decades there's for and against on both sides I'm very much against.

I hope that when peace comes to Gaza there is a real focus on making sure none of this happens again . That would be the best memorial for the victims.

https://www.history.co.uk/article/what-if-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-never-happened#

The conventional view is that more lives were saved in the long term.

And the memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has meant a widespread acceptance that it must never happen again. So some good came out of something terrible.

Out of curiosity would people here who feel dropping the atomic bomb in Japan was in some way justified feel the same if it was used again? What would be the scenario now that you think it could be used? Israel/ Gaza has been rumbling on for decades would the atomic bomb on Gaza solve it and end it quickly?

I'm with this year's nobel peace prize winners this year

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Nobel_Peace_Prize#:~:text=The%202024%20Nobel%20Peace%20Prize%20was%20awarded%20to%20Nihon%20Hidanky%C5%8D,must%20never%20be%20used%20again%22.

Are you suggesting it was an either or? It clearly wasn't. The war may have lasted longer but the allies were on track to win. 200,000 innocent civilians died in the most horrific way possible that is never justified. They were not combatants like the POW were. It was an ugly horrible war which led to the Geneva convention and thankfully we have not seen anything like it on its scale again. It does scare me though that countries still have atomic bombs even more powerful that could wipe us all out with the touch of a button.

What outcome would you have preferred?

Im just not sure why you think a long protracted war in the far east - rumbling on for years - would be preferable?

There is no “good” way to end a war .

It's shocking to me that some people seem to justify what Israel's far right government are doing to innocent Palestinian civilians on the grounds of Hamas and October 7th. I think we all agree that Hamas' actions on October 7th were completely horrific. That goes without saying. But, Israel is clearly using it as an excuse to try and wipe out an entire population. It's just so obvious at this point. They're deliberately targeting innocents.
Imagine the outcry if the UK government had responded to IRA attacks by carpet bombing all of civilian Ireland? The UK government's been bad enough over the years, but thankfully didn't sink to those depths.
I feel Israel and its allies, and much of our own media is gaslighting us at this point - I'm horrified by what's going on, completely shocked, and they keep trying to tell us it's normal behaviour from Israel!? It's not normal, it's utterly insane!

I think you need to read up on the Geneva convention and its 1949 and 1977 protocols.
The 1949 protocol was put in place following WW2, following the events you mention in order to make sure that they could never be repeated.
If they happened today, they would be classified as war crimes. I view them as such.