The testimony of the Yazidi woman rescued from Gaza

The Yazidi appeared on the news, and disappeared relatively quickly.

Why did Oct 7th get so much media attention (2K Israeli kill versus 5K Yasidi killed)? Frankly, I think we empathise a lot more with Israel, they are closer to us culturally, we see and can understand the way of life, we're sympathetic because it is a (flawed) democracy ... so many reasons. I've worked with Israel people, many have travelled there. Also the media have ready access and could report. As a result of these factors and many more it will

Why did Palestine killings get so much media attention (30k+ killed versus 5K Yasidi killed)? It's scale. The number of killings of innocent cilvilians is many order of magnitudes larger. Numbers matter.

My original message which you had responded to said "most" in fact (ie "Most people are marching in support of a two state solution, to allow Palestinians and Israelis to each have land they call their own"; it did not say "terribly peaceful and fair minded" it said "Not all the marchers know the full history (which has also been explained here on other threads) but fundamentally the motivation of most demonstrators will be to do with being fair to both sides and to stop the deaths".

I haven't been to any marches but I have seen that in some there are some extreme groups, who hand out placards to people who do not really understand the meaning.

I have seen footage on the news and on youtube and I haven't seen any placards which said "no to the 2 state solution" personally and this would go against what most Arab countries voted for at the UN in 2023.

I haven't seen any which refer to pre 1947 borders which is not to say they don't exist, I just haven't seen them on footage. From a historical point of view the UN proposed borders in around 1947 were rejected as they were seen as unfair in terms of what land was given to whom, but afaik the concept of 2 borders was not rejected. And as I say, Arab countries are supporting a two state solution and some marchers will not know the full history and won't necessarily understand all the issues. I don't know why any anti semetic behaviour is allowed.

Can I just ask - do most Zionists want a two state solution? Re the 90 percent, I asked how that figure came about - I explained that in London not all Jewish people are registered anywhere as Jewish and if you say it is a poll can you say who exactly was polled and provide a copy?

Do you support a two state solution and if so, what do you think would be fair in terms of borders?

@Martymcfly24 , how do you feel about the hostages which have not been released? The babies? Don’t you think campaigning for their release would be the best thing to end the conflict?

Thank goodness they are marching to stop a genocide then and not supporting a terrorist organization.

The atrocities of the Yazidi doesn’t ever seem to have been addressed. They seem to be a peaceful, insular society that to the outside world seem a bit weird. They don’t appear to align with anyone else and get on with their way of life. They don’t control
any natural resources and had to rely on the Kurds.

No you were pretty clear tha the marchers were all terribly peaceful & fair minded. You didn't say vast majority. But even if the 'vast majority' are not antisemites why do they not do anything about the extensive antisemitism at the marches? Many of the placards and chants are clearly against 2 states - pre 1948 borders, 'zionism no' etc etc.
I dont really understand your comments on zionism actually. Yes, the 90% figure is widely quoted and I see no reason to disbelieve it. Polling is not that complicated especially in such a small community.

Antisemitism is not acceptable. I think that what I said was right though, that the vast majority of people want a fair and peaceful solution, and I would imagine that even those holding placards would support a two state solution. Zionists who are interviewed generally say they support a one state solution, do you think most Zionists support a one or two state solution? Incidentally one of the comments said that 90 percent of Jewish people consider themselves Zionists - I am not sure how that person could know that, a fair percentage of Jewish people I know (where I was brought up was 50 percent jewish and I have Jewish heritage) do not attend synagogue or Jewish events etc regularly, do they mean 90 percent of Orthodox Jewish? But basically bottom line,antisemitism is not acceptable, and partisan comments one way or the other are not helpful.

Antisemitism and other forms of racism are generally based on either ignorance or manipulation or both, and so to keep on educating while also promosting peaceful solutions would be good?

@Auvergne63

"It also became apparent that this was the case during covid. Countries with a woman at the head did better."

Whether PM or President of a country was male or female is completely irrelevant in Covid mortality rates.

What was relevant was population densities and even more so obesity rates. Japan happened to have one of the lowest obesity rates and lowest mortality rates.

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623

Listen to anyone talking about this
I think that would be a very good idea. These people don't seem to be interested in fair & peaceful solutions though do they?
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1842647718478467464?t=vCv9s9FfI_JSEnjwXe340w&s=19

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1842902627501166979?t=3aUeuNG9WUVMEeL0SseBkw&s=19

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1842841221901029780?t=lEjrZmCFCj0ak2AWrrn2eA&s=19

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1842660395493826739?t=28u5LTOpb5pwiGVLgSf7YA&s=19

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1842635709334614143?t=X20SS8t2iFBEcAtINVXmNg&s=19

I rarely comment on any of these threads (I think both 'sides' are behaving despicably) but, now and again, I try to illustrate how today's atrocities are the continuation of millennia-old conflicts. I wish I could say culmination, but I don't believe it will end.

The Bible contains several accounts of Israelites doing exactly this, with the very same justification. You can even find earnest arguments that the Benjaminites, for instance, took Midianite girls as "wives" to ensure the Midianite line wasn't completely wiped out by the slaughter of their men, married women and children. Very kind of them.

Fundamentalist Islam follows 3,000-year-old laws. This is a problem. Many other traditions have moved on, while still venerating ancestors who enacted the same laws and exalting the outcomes of those acts. That's less of a problem, but it means these brutal principles still underpin the whole conflict.

It's just never fucking stopped 😡😭

Listen to anyone talking about this, the point is to end the suffering of both sides and find fair and peaceful solutions. It would be far more helpful for you to promote fair and peaceful solutions than to be divisive.

What you say here is not true and misleading.

@hereova , there has been clear support during those demonstrations for terroists, there have been antisemitic sentiments expressed. I hope everyone would wish to see an end to that awful conflict, in that case I can’t quite comprehend why they don’t demonstrate for the release of the remaining hostages? Maybe Jewish children don’t count?

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As said upthread, the demonstrations are about wanting a fair solution for both Palestine and Israel, a two state solution, not about supporting terrorism. And I think you knew that.

We've seen the difference in how aid gets distributed when men and women are in charge of it can you give examples of this?

In relation to Afghanistan, I think going back over a number of decades looking at what triggered which key event, and looking at for example the pattern of supply of arms and consequences, would be helpful.

Making it just male vs female is too narrow not to mention intrinsically sexist which is a backward step for women as well as men. I think having leaders who have a moral compass, competence, education, wisdom, humanity as a whole, as an individual and how they choose their team, it is this which would make a difference. And looking at when and why leaders fail. And who was controlling them or their opponents behind the scenes, or "indirectly". Whether they are male or female shouldn't be relevant, and is likely to be a smoke screen set up by indirect leaders.

If it is statistically predictable currently, how one or other might perform, then we should look at why and how we change that. We know from neuro science that there is not much inherently different between the male or female brain and instead it is all about conditioning.

@Martymcfly24 , I don’t believe support for a proscribed terrorist organisation is legal neither is expressing views which incite violence or hatred of others.

A story about how the US is attempting to help (not enough help in my opinion though)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/yazidi-woman-gaza-hamas-isis-b2623554.html

It also became apparent that this was the case during covid. Countries with a woman at the head did better.

My post was clearly not disingenuous and I said nothing about supporting anything one thing or the other, personally. I think my post summed it up correctly, taking into consideration the fact that not all people marching are fully aware of all facts, but also asserting that the vast majority of people on earth support peace and autonomy for both sides, and realistically this is a two state solution.

Antisemitism and other types of racism come from ignorance or manipulation, and so to counter that it is more effective to educate constructively than to condemn.

Do you support a two state solution or something else?

The same people who tell you mn is an echo chamber will quote random poll data from the subset of people who comment.

The only people on here who tell you MN is an echo chamber are those who are Pro Israel and anti Palestinian.

The same people who tell you mn is an echo chamber will quote random poll data from the subset of people who comment.

At least AIBU gives you sample size & %

Because polling is such an accurate process?

Thank you for posting this @HermioneWeasley and @TheaBrandt I totally agree majority female government would be much safer, fairer, reliable. Why do men adopt this sheep/herd like approach where they idolise each other and just repeat what they say- pack mentality I guess, maybe that's why they love being in football crowds so much all copying each other. Women far more likely to think critically and be kind, maybe due to nurturing/protective instincts?
Anyway I digress - I started a thread a few weeks ago about the Afghan women silence order as I was so horrified and disappointingly it didn't get many responses.
I find it particularly terrifying that the whole misogynistic culture is starting to gain traction as are other misogynistic cultures like incels, Andrew Tate loons etc.
We and like minded men should be protesting this and screaming from the roof tops - I bet Iranian female doctors thought their country could only ever more forwards and now look - Afghanistan even worse.
Actually terrifying for kids of today - esp with so many male immigrants from those countries leaving their mothers/wives/sisters in danger to flee to Europe rather than defending their country, their women and their freedoms.

I agree to a point but there are women that can be just as ruthless, Aung San Suu Kyi, comes to mind. I think power corrupts, it is though mainly men that hold it.