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I just want to tell you about the beauty of Lebanon

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nightmarepickle2025 · 12/10/2024 11:56

I think many people in the West think of the Middle East as somehow "other". So I just wanted to tell you a bit about Lebanon, which I've visited as a tourist a few times.

Beirut is a party town, with beach clubs lining the coast. The Corniche in the centre is a gorgeous promenade where people meet to walk, chat, court.

In the hills surrounding Beirut there are amazing vineyards with restaurants serving delicious food. There's a ski resort up in the north, though I think the chair lifts might date from before the civil war --

And the country still bears the scars of that civil war - burnt out, bullet hole ridden buildings, in between billion dollar redevelopments.

The roads are a mess, ridden with potholes, a problem for all the super cars speeding round them driven by the super rich, for whom Lebanon is a playground As a historically Christian country it's far more liberal than it's neighbours, hence the rest of the region go there to drink and party.

Out to the East, Baalbek is an almost completely rebuilt Roman city that defies belief, like travelling in a time machine.

And the countryside is full of tents - because Lebanon has one of the biggest refugee populations in the world, of Palestinians and Syrians.

It's a beautiful, but fragile place that has already rebuilt itself from a 15 year civil war and looks like it's about to be destroyed again. Which is a tragedy.

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NoraLuka · 18/10/2024 21:07

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 23:47

Did anyone see the wonderful Lebanese film, Caramel? 2008

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_(film)

I love that film! I think the director made other films but they were difficult to find back before streaming became mainstream, it might be easier now.

LeoOakley · 17/10/2024 17:48

Fordian · 17/10/2024 16:05

I feel poor Lebanon has quite a serious Hezbollah problem 😢

And I feel that your post is seriously disingenuous. The crying emoji ain't swinging it either.

Fordian · 17/10/2024 16:05

I feel poor Lebanon has quite a serious Hezbollah problem 😢

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2024 21:22

LeoOakley · 14/10/2024 17:06

Visiting in-laws and friends. The Lebanese culture and hospitality, sense of fun and generosity is epic. I always felt very safe there too.

Hopefully you get to go one day.

I feel absolute despair seeing what is happening to them. It's more generational trauma in yet another cycle of horror 😢

Visiting in-laws and friends
You must be very worried and upset on their behalf.

I hope one day I may.

ElonGates666 · 16/10/2024 16:39

A good book about Lebanon is Dom Jolly's book. He grew up there and took some of his English friends hiking in the hills.

I used to know a Lebanese woman who married a Scottish man. She said that they may go back there one day because 'he likes the sun'. From what I have read though it is extremely hot and humid in Beirut in the summer. People want to get out to the city and up into the mountains.

Beirut has a higher annual rainfall than London with most of the rain in the winter, so it just rains all the time in the winter.

LeoOakley · 14/10/2024 17:11

Lottemarine · 14/10/2024 14:09

Absolutely tragic what is happening Lebanon and Gaza and the western leaders turning a blind eye. Honestly, the children in these countries have absolutely been failed.

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I am tormented by the trauma they must be suffering. The surviving children's mental pain, bewilderment and terror keeps me awake some nights. Too many tears shed for children i'll never be able to help.

LeoOakley · 14/10/2024 17:06

ScrollingLeaves · 14/10/2024 13:42

Were you there just visiting, or did you live there? I wish I had been.

Visiting in-laws and friends. The Lebanese culture and hospitality, sense of fun and generosity is epic. I always felt very safe there too.

Hopefully you get to go one day.

I feel absolute despair seeing what is happening to them. It's more generational trauma in yet another cycle of horror 😢

Lottemarine · 14/10/2024 14:09

Absolutely tragic what is happening Lebanon and Gaza and the western leaders turning a blind eye. Honestly, the children in these countries have absolutely been failed.

israelilefty · 14/10/2024 14:06

I wish I could visit Beirut. I'm a big fan of the Lebanese band Mashrou' Leila and have heard them in Amman among a huge crowd of Palestinian-Israelis with plenty of their Jewish-Israeli fans there too, as they are unable to visit Israel, and of course Fairuz. We can even pick up Lebanese radio anywhere north of Mt Carmel. I once wrote a short story for an Arabic class describing a dream in which the protagonist takes the bus that once existed from Haifa to Beirut. Trust me, the minute regional peace is achieved, that bus will be absolutely packed in both directions...

ScrollingLeaves · 14/10/2024 13:42

LeoOakley · 14/10/2024 13:38

Beirut is one of my favourite cities. Utterly beguiling and visually, one of the most fascinating places I've visited. I am desperately sad and very troubled that Lebanon is under attack again.

Were you there just visiting, or did you live there? I wish I had been.

LeoOakley · 14/10/2024 13:38

Beirut is one of my favourite cities. Utterly beguiling and visually, one of the most fascinating places I've visited. I am desperately sad and very troubled that Lebanon is under attack again.

itwasnevermine · 14/10/2024 13:15

This is just heartbreaking. So many beautiful cities and so much culture and history will be lost forever

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This thread is in the ‘Conflict in the Middle East’ board…..
but was about the beauty of Lebanon.

There are specific threads about the Hezbollah/Israel/Lenanon attacks and war where your points could more easily be discussed in the context of various other related points and arguments.

Moglet4 · 13/10/2024 08:42

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I answered the only question that mattered which is why was your post awful? I will not answer the rest because of the assumptions you imply and the fact that you clearly see the situation in the ME in black and white when in reality, it’s grey so it would just be a waste of my time. All I will say is this. Of course Israel had the right to respond to Hamas and Hezbollah. However, they lost the moral high ground in Gaza months ago and it looks like they may be about to do the same in Lebanon (they’ve already broken international law in the first few days).

OP, I apologise for the derail. I do appreciate what you were trying to do.

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ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 23:47

Did anyone see the wonderful Lebanese film, Caramel? 2008

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_(film)

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 12/10/2024 23:38

Lebanon is indeed a beautiful country. It does though unfortunately have a bit of a Hezbollah problem, and has also been turning rapidly into a failed state.

Moglet4 · 12/10/2024 23:27

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  1. your simplification of the whole awful and complex situation into black and white, evil and good
  2. your choice of words - ‘has had to’ specifically - lots of what Israel has done they absolutely have not ‘had’ to do. I actually feel quite sick at your assertion that everything Israel has done was necessary.
  3. your callousness with regard to the original poster. They wanted a largely positive post, celebrating the beauty and resilience of the country they love, to educate people who might think it’s just a bombed out ruin. You just spat all over that and completely changed the tone.
ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2024 22:55

nightmarepickle2025 · 12/10/2024 11:56

I think many people in the West think of the Middle East as somehow "other". So I just wanted to tell you a bit about Lebanon, which I've visited as a tourist a few times.

Beirut is a party town, with beach clubs lining the coast. The Corniche in the centre is a gorgeous promenade where people meet to walk, chat, court.

In the hills surrounding Beirut there are amazing vineyards with restaurants serving delicious food. There's a ski resort up in the north, though I think the chair lifts might date from before the civil war --

And the country still bears the scars of that civil war - burnt out, bullet hole ridden buildings, in between billion dollar redevelopments.

The roads are a mess, ridden with potholes, a problem for all the super cars speeding round them driven by the super rich, for whom Lebanon is a playground As a historically Christian country it's far more liberal than it's neighbours, hence the rest of the region go there to drink and party.

Out to the East, Baalbek is an almost completely rebuilt Roman city that defies belief, like travelling in a time machine.

And the countryside is full of tents - because Lebanon has one of the biggest refugee populations in the world, of Palestinians and Syrians.

It's a beautiful, but fragile place that has already rebuilt itself from a 15 year civil war and looks like it's about to be destroyed again. Which is a tragedy.

Thank you for your description.

It looks very beautiful.
Even the words “cedars of Lenanon” sound lovely.

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What an awful post, on so many levels.

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