The aftermath

People don't seem to realise that many IDF soldiers will come back with PTSD.
Some have already committed suicide.
Sending young men and women to fight battle hardened terrorists in Lebanon, the same who fought against Isis, is criminal.

I was reading an article about the numbers of Israelis emigrating. It is at record high.
Israel faces record emigration as thousands leave the country - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
Meanwhile the Israeli economy is struggling.
Israel faces a looming financial crisis if it fails to act, former chief economist warns | The Times of Israel
"Swamped mental health services, a semi-functioning education system, economic decline, collapsing businesses, troubling gun accidents and a rise in crime. Even if most Israelis won't oppose the war for the sake of Gazans, they better start looking at the huge toll it is taking on their own lives."
No my words but those from an Haaretz's journalist.

I was reading an article about the numbers of Israelis emigrating. It is at record high.
Israel faces record emigration as thousands leave the country - Israel News - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
Meanwhile the Israeli economy is struggling.
Israel faces a looming financial crisis if it fails to act, former chief economist warns | The Times of Israel
"Swamped mental health services, a semi-functioning education system, economic decline, collapsing businesses, troubling gun accidents and a rise in crime. Even if most Israelis won't oppose the war for the sake of Gazans, they better start looking at the huge toll it is taking on their own lives."
No my words but those from an Haaretz's journalist.

How strange to object to people defending other posters. I don't do it so much because its a nice thing to do actually (though it is) but because if you twist someone's words its a way of disinformation creeping into the threads, or a way of setting up strawmen, which doesn't help anyone.

Again, noone said the UN didn't condemn tbe attacks but its undoubtedly true that condemnation was slow, full of equivocation, or absent from some quarters.

There was absolutely no need to wait for an investigation to condemn the obvious horror of sexual violence on that day even if exact details of the sort that would stand up in court were not available riggt away (obviously). Did the world wait for an investigation before condemning tbe murder of George Floyd? Of course not. The protests began immediately Have you waited for investigations before condemning Israel's violence in Gaza? No.

Nowhere did @Fordian say 'the Palestinians ( not Hamas) deserve to be bombed, starved, tortured and raped in jail ( and in Gaza too. Rape is used as a weapon of war), deprived of the basics for life'. Why do you do this? Its a perfectly reasonable question to ask, what Hamas thought would happen given that they are resonsible for the protection of their citizens.

And I think there are questions to be asked about how forcefully the world condemned Hamas in the aftermath of 7/10. Some parts of the world certainly did, but some were weirdly silent. Just one example - It took the UN's Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women over 2 weeks after 7/10 to issue a vague statement on the 'gendered dimensions' of the conflict when the rape & sexual violence by Hamas against Israeli women in the attack was extreme. There was another UN event about violence against women, which I can't find the details right now, when it wasn't mentioned at all.

@Fordian the world has done nothing but condemn October 7 and much of the west is now using it as a reason to fund a genocide.

@SharonEllis meanwhile the support for Israel has been loud and clear. That's their condemnation.

They condemn the attacks so harshly that they're sanctioning an entire country to death. They're bombing vaccine centres. Bombing schools and food distribution centres.

Genuine questions here.
Why do you feel the need to defend other posters?
What do you think I do?
The UN rightly condemned the horrors of 07/10 on the same day they happened.
UN officials strongly condemn deadly attacks in Israel | UN News
Regarding the rapes, an investigation would have needed to take place before issuing any findings.
Let's not forget that it took the IDF 7 hours to stop Hamas' barbarity. Why?
Why was the intelligence of an eminent attack ignored by the Israeli government? All these questions need to be answered.
Where was the IDF intelligence and why did it take so long? All the difficult questions – www.israelhayom.com

Your MIL is not representative of displaced people in general. I have work with refugees and they all wanted to go back home.
As a previous poster upthread posted, I wonder that Hamas thought the outcome of Oct 7 would be?
So you believe the Palestinians ( not Hamas) deserve to be bombed, starved, tortured and raped in jail ( and in Gaza too. Rape is used as a weapon of war), deprived of the basics for life? When the Allies bombed Germany to smithereens, did the German civilians deserved to die because they voted the Nazi party in?

And why didn't 'The World' forcefully condemn Hamas then?
The " World" did.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c80r2y47rz4t?post=asset%3A1f3cecfa-a5c4-41af-9bd5-2d0b460c320c#post

I don't think the Israeli government plan on there being anything left in Gaza for people to claim in a two state solution

Daftasabroom had responded to this post:

@Notaflippinclue · Today 09:22

Interesting article in the Times on Saturday about the expulsion of 14 million Germans from their homes in the East in 1945 half a million died the world didn't care because of revelations of the holocaust. He goes on to say Israel could persue the expulsion of Palestinians from the West Bank and Egypt should accept the displaced people of Gaza as they say Arabs have many countries - Israel has only one

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This description of the Max Hastings article in The Times October 12th may have given possibly have given you the wrong impression @Daftasabroom (I am not sure if you were meaning M H was ignorant and racist?)

Max Hastings, the military historian who wrote the article, was not suggesting what Israel should do but what they may well do.

He also calls Netanyahu out on an act of lying ( predictably Netanyahu had called Max Hastings a liar for saying he [Netanyahu] had said something he had said but wanted to pretend he had not).

Attached is a screen shot of the whole article so people can read it for themselves.
Unfortunately I don’t have a link to an in-line version.

This is the last paragraph:

” If Israel seeks to exploit its
indisputable military dominance to further enlarge its territory and rid itself of proximate enemies and unwanted Arab citizens, it will follow many precedents in which justice has seldom, if ever, been a factor.Whether such a policy would serve the historic interests of the Israeli people is much more doubtful.”