The aftermath

Scirocco - I am so sorry to hear this. Truly sending love and prayers for you and your family.

I am very sorry Scirocco.

This is so sad and so wrong that innocent people all over the world are targeted because of the egomaniacs that are in power, no one should be treated like this, I will never understand the hatred that people have for others that have never done them any wrong, the future looks scary to be honest

Really sorry to hear about that. It's wrong, it should never be like that.

There is no reason why they should, doesn't mean they won't though. In the same way Muslims were blamed for 9/11.

No we aren't, but we're still getting attacked in the street, death threats daubed outside our homes, prejudice and hate crimes in our daily lives. Islamophobia and antisemitism have increased over the past year. They are going to be part of the aftermath of this.

I don't think it's me that's doing the bitching. ;-]

Why would people hate Jews because of what the Israeli government is doing? Are all Jews worldwide responsible for Israel?

Are all Muslims responsible for Hamas's actions?

@SharonEllis
Some of us see that Netanyahu wants American boots on the ground. Politically he can’t afford to loose Israeli soldiers, he can’t hammer Iran on his own. He wants the Americans and the Brits to take on Iran for him - the US bogged down indefinitely, the IDF “defending” Israel with politically acceptable casualties for Netanyahu’s coalition, and Netanyahu’s legal troubles kicked further down the line.
Most of us who don’t have a personal allegiance to Israel by reason of birth think that that is a danger to world peace

Whats that got to do with aid as a proportion of military spending? And what does that mean anyway, did someone do a global poll?

Yeah as you can see people are very worried at Israel's extreme actions. It's also interesting the poster automatically thought it was al jazeera. It just shows that all those shouting about bubbles and echo Chambers are in one themselves. Most of the British public are rightly appalled at what Israel is doing and the support our government gives them! Not in my name I say!

YouGov is often thought to be somewhat right-leaning, so those poll findings are rather interesting...

Thank you @GoForARun - you're right, children are the ones who are suffering most here and who will continue to suffer. For the sake of the innocent children of Palestine, Lebanon, Israel and Muslim and Jewish communities around the world, we desperately need a ceasefire and a peace process. There's a lot of healing to do, and our children deserve better than a future of fear and pain.

Israel almost ties with China which is only second to Russia! Most British people are rightly very concerned with the threat Israel is to global peace alongside China and Russia.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/10/11/76d0d/1

No love it was a poll on yougov. It isn't nonsense just because you don't agree with it either!

Surprised isn't the word! Because you are talking complete and utter nonsense - don't tell me Al Jazeera told you that!

You would be surprised to know that more people think Israel is a threat to global peace than even Iran!

Agreed, absolutely.

Apologies if it came over that I was aiming my comment at the poster, I wasn't, but as the the article says it has been for years a" commonplace of Jerusalem political conversation" it is obviously something that has been said by many people, whoever said it is in my opinion holding a very ignorant view

Thank you Scirocco and Ghostcicada.

It's all unimaginably dreadful.

I'm so sorry for everyone caught up in this - and especially for children.

You are shooting the messenger probably because they did not make clear that that was a quote within an article by the historian Max Hastings in The Times Oct 12 (my bolding)

It deserves emphasis that only a few members of Netanyahu's coalition today speak openly of pursuing the expulsion of Palestinians from the West Bank, though many urge that Egypt should accept the displaced people of Gaza.
It has for years been a commonplace of Jerusalem political conversation to say: "Arabs have many countries, we have only one."

This is a screen shot of the article. Another poster gave an actual link with a share token, but I cannot remember on which thread. It is worth reading but bleak.

The West Bank wasn't safe before October 7th and definitely isn't safe now. Even before the current crisis, it was under occupation - people use the term The Occupied Territories to refer to the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, as well as the occupied Golan Heights.

The Palestinians living in the West Bank have lived and continue to live under occupation, with restrictions on movement, food, water, healthcare, etc. Their communities can be destroyed with no notice given, people evicted at gunpoint by Israeli 'settlers', and they are unable to access legal protections or justice, as the legal system and police/military defend the 'settlers' rather than the people living under occupation. Palestinians can be arrested and placed under administrative detention, meaning that they are imprisoned for an indefinite time, without any actual charges - they may be denied legal representation or even the ability to tell their loved ones where they are. In prison, there are high rates of inhumane treatment including torture and sexual violence. Men, women and children experience these things.

It is a place where a child can be shot and killed because another child near them may have thrown a stone. It is a place where a child can be shot and killed because they were sitting in their (civilian) father's car at a checkpoint on their way home from school.

When will it be safe? I don't know... The end of occupation, reparations and justice for the people who have suffered under occupation, and the protection of the integrity of Palestinian territory will be key, but that looks very far off indeed.

The US would slaughter them and take much the same approach as the Israelis. But in the case of Mexico, the Mexicans would not have so many avengers on their side as Hezbollah may have, ready to keep springing up against Israel in the future just as Hezbollah sprouted from the seeds of previous Israeli action in Lebanon.

Indiscriminate, hot-headed, disproportionate attacks in order to defeat terrorism do not always make it the best line of defence imo either ethically ( killing and displacing many civilians too) or politically ( not working long term/causing more trouble).

No, 100s of Palestinians are killed by the IDF every year in the West Bank. Palestinians are hauled off to 'administrative detention' where they are kept with no charge for as a long as Israel like, this includes children who are routinely victims of violence and sexual abuse whilst in Israels care. Palestinians live under apartheid in the West Bank and as such do not have basic human rights afforded to them. Palestinians get their homes and villages burned to the ground, their homes and land stolen from beneath them, if they object they are killed or arrested. And this just scratches the surface. There is nothing safe about being a Palestinian in the West Bank.

Please forgive me ignorance but may I ask a question - there are some very knowledgeable people on this forum:

Is the West Bank area 'safe'?

If so, how come - and is this likely to last?