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UN peacekeepers injured by Israel

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EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 13:04

After all the news this week regarding IDF threatening peacekeepers in Lebanon this is news now.

from bbc

Two UN peacekeepers injured after Israeli tank fires at watchtowerpublished at 12:50 British Summer Time
12:50 BSTBREAKING
Two UN peacekeepers have been injured after an Israeli tank fired towards a watchtower at a UN base in southern Lebanon, the UN says.
According to a statement by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), the observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura was directly hit, causing the peacekeepers to fall.
"The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital," the UN says.
It adds that Israeli soldiers also fired at a UN base in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system".
There's more in their statement which we'll bring you shortly.
UNIFIL is a UN peacekeeping mission created in 1978. It monitors hostilities and helps to ensure humanitarian access to civilians.

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Auvergne63 · 11/10/2024 16:28

SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:51

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.

Personally, I don’t know what UNFIL are doing, for a ‘peacekeeping’ force, allowing a terrorist organisation to take over seems like a huge failure.

The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME. There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.
Once again, criticising the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF is not bashing Israel. No government in the world is above criticism.
If the Israeli government were not authorising the appalling slaughter of civilians in Gaza, the WB and Lebanon, these threads wouldn't exist.
Personally, I don’t know what UNFIL are doing, for a ‘peacekeeping’ force, allowing a terrorist organisation to take over seems like a huge failure.
Maybe it would be useful for you to look up the role of UN peacekeepers. You would then have a better understanding why they are deployed.
The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME.
Please elaborate.
There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.
Indeed. 12 in total ,out of 30 000 employees.
One of the 07/07 attack in London was a learning mentor in a primary school, highly respected by teachers and parents alike. Do you believe that every learning mentors are terrorists?

mouthpipette · 11/10/2024 16:28

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/22/gaza-strip-28-palestinians-wounded-by-israeli-fire-in-border-clashes_6138648_4.html

@PollyPaintsFlowers
Does this help ?

"Israel carried out a series of airstrikes in the Gaza Strip late on Friday, September 22, 2023, after Palestinian activists launched incendiary balloons into Israel as a week of violence along the volatile frontier intensified. The rising tensions along Israel's front with Gaza came as fighting in the occupied West Bank surged – to levels unseen in two decades. In the latest bloodshed Friday, the Israeli army killed a Palestinian militant in the northern West Bank."

Gaza Strip: 28 Palestinians wounded by Israeli fire in border clashes

The operation was the most recent in a series of stepped-up raids Israel has been staging in Palestinian areas of the West Bank.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/22/gaza-strip-28-palestinians-wounded-by-israeli-fire-in-border-clashes_6138648_4.html

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 16:24

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:21

@mouthpipette oh my vad# that is a very confusing article

"NOUR SHAMS REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank — Israeli airstrikes struck militant sites in Gaza on Sunday for the third straight day, the Israeli military said, after Palestinian militants near the border fence launched incendiary balloons into Israel and threw an explosive at soldiers." 😵‍💫

The first sentence is where the article was written from or the journalised based. The rest is about Gaza

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:21

*oh my bad

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:21

@mouthpipette oh my vad# that is a very confusing article

"NOUR SHAMS REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank — Israeli airstrikes struck militant sites in Gaza on Sunday for the third straight day, the Israeli military said, after Palestinian militants near the border fence launched incendiary balloons into Israel and threw an explosive at soldiers." 😵‍💫

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 16:21

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:19

@mouthpipette you said Gaza initially, now you're linking to events in the West Bank. You know those are two seperate areas, right?

you might want to read the title of the link again

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:19

@mouthpipette you said Gaza initially, now you're linking to events in the West Bank. You know those are two seperate areas, right?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:16

@mouthpipette of course, even between 2021 and October 7th 2023 Hamas didn't stop launching rockets into Israel

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:14

@mouthpipette I can't find anything on Google about teenagers being shot either

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 16:13

@mouthpipette

MAY 2021 | OPERATION GUARDIAN OF THE WALLS

In response to protests against the pending eviction of Palestinian families in East Jerusalem’s Sheikh Jarrah and clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians on the Temple Mount, Hamas and PIJ launch rockets at Israeli cities. Israel responds with airstrikes on Gaza. In parallel, Arabs and Jews clash in Israel’s mixed cities, instigated by extremists on both sides. After over two weeks of hostilities, Hamas and Israel agree to a ceasefire brokered by Egypt, Qatar, and the U.N..* Months later, Israel begins issuing thousands of entry permits to allow Gazans to work in Israel.

I can't find any evidence of airstrikes in the run up to October 7th, can you help?

Auvergne63 · 11/10/2024 16:03

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 12:11

oh if only they weren’t so hypocrites and they kept selling arms to Israel despite they announced they were stopping ….

ps a very disappointed Spanish who is not surprised about the double face from the Spanish government.

I am French and I feel the same but it is actually the first time that the two nations have openly mentioned an embargo. It is a first step in the right direction. Hopefully.

mouthpipette · 11/10/2024 15:53

Exactly. They broke the ceasefire on October 7th, @PollyPaintsFlowers

There was no ceasefire. Where do you get this nonsense from ?

Please provide proof that one was in place and I will apologise for calling it nonsense.

A few days earlier, dozens of stone throwing Gazan teenagers had been shot in the legs and ankles and two weeks prior to that in September the IAF had carried out airstrikes on 3 consecutive days in Gaza.

loudbatperson · 11/10/2024 15:36

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 13:11

"Hams [sic] is not a 'democratic civilised country' they're a bunch of terrorists, nobody expects them to uphold anything, Israel is now heading in the same direction"

Exactly. They broke the ceasefire on October 7th, another one will just allow them to regroup and rearm themselves. They've already sworn more October 7ths. Let Israel do its job and protect its people

How is firing at peacekeepers part of protecting their people?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:57

If that's the spin you want to put on it @VictoryPending but as you can see from what I shared from online sources, not everywhere and everyone shares the same benign view

VictoryPending · 11/10/2024 14:52

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:44

That's such a sanitised version @VictoryPending

I'm sure as non muslim person, you can tell me about my religion better than I can.

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 14:48

The guardian

Human Rights Watch (HRW) called for a UN inquiry into Israeli attacks on peacekeepers belonging to the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) on Friday, after three separate attacks on Unifil personnel in south Lebanon.

HRW said that Israel’s attacks on UN peacekeepers could be a violation of the laws of war, as peacekeepers, including armed members, are civilians. It further called for the UN to “urgently establish” an international investigation in Lebanon and Israel and that their results are made public.

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:44

That's such a sanitised version @VictoryPending

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 14:43

From BBC

A Downing Street spokesperson says the government is "appalled" by reports that Israel has deliberately fired at an observation post belonging to the UN's peacekeeping mission in south Lebanon.
It follows a statement from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon which said an Israeli tank fired on Unifil facilities in southern Lebanon yesterday, hitting an observation tower and wounding two peacekeepers.
Speaking to journalists at the daily Downing Street briefing, the spokesperson says: "We were appalled to hear those reports and it is vital that peacekeepers and civilians are protected.
"As you know we continue to call for an immediate ceasefire and an end to suffering and bloodshed. It is a reminder of the importance of us all renewing our diplomatic efforts to resolve this."
Asked if the prime minister would agree with Ireland's Taoiseach (Irish PM) that Israel had broken international law, the spokesperson says: "All parties must always do everything possible to protect civilians and comply with international law."

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PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:43

Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as "the descendants of apes and pigs" is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds.
For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs."[1]
In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2]
"Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption..."[3]

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:40

The 1988 Hamas Charter, and particularly its Articles 7 and 22, represented a condensed version of the pan-Islamist anti-Jewish ideas cultivated by Rashid Rida. Rida believed that the international Jewry contributed to Germany's defeat in the First World War; in exchange for Britain's promise to grant them Palestine. Furthermore; he asserted that they controlled Western Banking System and Capitalist system, created Communism in Eastern Europe and led Freemasonry to plot against World Nations. He also drew from Islamic traditions that displayed hostility to Jews and popularised them; rendering the conflict with the Zionists an apocalyptic religious dimension. Rida would persistently cite hadithss^ regarding the End Times Jewish-Muslim conflicts; some of which would be included in the future Charter of Hamas, such as:[142][143]
The Jews will fight you and you will be led to dominate them until the rock cries out: "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, kill him!"
Rashid Rida condemned the Jews for their arrogance towards the Prophets and arraigned them for abandoning religious values for materialism, all which made them recipients of Divine Wrath; which led to their downfall. He asserted that Allah decreed Muslims to construct Masjid al-Aqsa in the ruins of the Temple in Jerusalem and favoured Muslims to rule the Holy Lands by implementing shari'aa(Islamic law) and upholding Tawhidd. Rashid Rida's anti-Zionism was part of his wider campaign as a towering figure in the Pan-Islamist movement and would immensely impact subsequent Islamist, Jihadist and anti-colonial activists.[144] He also severely rebuked Christian Zionists, writing:
"It was astonishing that the intrigues of the Jews seduced many of the Christians of Europe and America by convincing them that believing in the Bible requires helping them to return to Palestine and the possession of Jerusalem … etc., as a confirmation to the prophets and a realization of the appearance of Jesus regarding whose person and deeds the two groups [Jewish and Christian] differed [in their interpretation]. The Jews refer to their Messiah as the earthly king who will come to restore the kingdom of Solomon, whereas the Christians refer to Jesus, son of Mary, who will return in His kingdom to judge the world."
— Muhammad Rashid Rida, in Al-Manar 30/7 pg. 555, [144]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitisminn_Islam

VictoryPending · 11/10/2024 14:34

Re your point about Jews being referred to as Pigs and apes in the Quran,

"The Question: “Does the Qur’an call Jews pigs and apes? And it is allowed for Muslims to do so?”

Answer:
Thanks for your question.:
In the second chapter of the Qur’an there is the story of the people of the Sabbath who failed to abide by Allah’s commands. Thus, according to the Qur’an they were turned into pigs and apes. However, there are a few important points to this story:

  1. It does not refer to all the people of the Jewish faith, but only a certain group of people from the followers of Musa.
  2. It is not appropriate for one to call people of the Jewish tradition “pigs and apes” or “sons of pigs and apes” since, besides being extremely rude, it is not correct. All major commentators of Quran mention that these pigs and apes did not reproduce but died off. Sh. Yusuf al-Qaradwi noted this mentioning that one should not do so. Finally, Muslims are ordered by Allah to “Speak that which is best” and to “Call unto the way of your Lord with wisdom.” Thus, it is not befitting for a Muslim to be lowly in his discourse, rude in his manners and bigoted towards others. Allah says, “[you must] be just. It is closer to piety.”
PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 14:22

@Scirocco I disagree. I don't think it's just about power. It's that Jews who are referred to in the Quran as pigs and who should be killed wherever they are found have a state in the middle of an otherwise Islamic hegemony. It was alright when they lived under Dhimmitude, but not now they have self-determination

I watched some of The ASK project's videos on YouTube about if there should be a two state solution, resoundingly the answer seemed to be no, and what would happen if Palestine was free from the river to the sea, the answers were either kill all the Jews or ethnically cleanse them. The responders were mainly women

You can go and watch them for yourself

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 14:21

Statement: This morning, UNIFIL’s Naqoura headquarters was affected by explosions for the second time in the last 48 hours.

Two peacekeepers were injured after two explosions occurred close to an observation tower. One injured peacekeeper was taken to a hospital in Tyre, while the second is being treated in Naqoura.

Today, several T-walls at our UN position 1-31, near the Blue Line in Labbouneh, fell when an IDF caterpillar hit the perimeter and IDF tanks moved in the proximity of the UN position
Our peacekeepers remained at the location, and a UNIFIL Quick Reaction Force was dispatched to assist and reinforce the position.

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1844721645455360236

x.com

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1844721645455360236

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JaneJeffer · 11/10/2024 14:17

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.
You people need to stop trying to defend the indefensible